This is kinda funny, actually

[emmagrant01]

You know what makes me go 0_o about all of this slash-bashing (on a post that is now locked, apparently *coughs*)?

We're arguing about fictional characters. Who never existed. Who aren't, you know, real people. Who gives a fuck what someone who does not exist does or doesn't do in bed? My fantasies are my fantasies, and I don't have to justify them to anyone.

That said, people have the right to have opinions different than mine, and even, lo, to express them on their journals. But to bitch about how slash fic is OOC?

To quote Hermione, "Oh, well spotted!" Slap me with a fish and call me Elmo, because I would never have realized how horribly OOC my characters are without someone pointing that little detail out. You mean, they don't actually blow each other in the broom shed? My god, what have we done??? *eye roll*

Of course it's fucking OOC. I made Harry and Draco GAY, for fuck's sake. I have actually read the books, and I did indeed note the distinct lack of buttsex in them. I recognize that the characters are not now, and probably never will be, gay in canon. Or even bisexual. And do I give a shit? That would be a no, because I'm not in fandom to write stories that "flesh out canon". People can do that if they want, and more power to them, but me? I'm here for the slash, basically. I'm all about Teh Gay, as are most of the people reading this, I imagine.

And I really don't care what other people think, ya know? I'm a slasher. I don't freak out when my ship is sunk, or when one of my OTP is killed. I live in my own little slashy fandom world, and I like it that way. It's nicer here. And we have better icons. So there.

Note: You know, I've written quite a lot of het, so this shouldn't be interpreted as a het vs. slash thing at all. It's about me boggling at someone throwing what they think is an insult at the whole slash genre -- when its OOCness is something I actually embrace. Go figure. :-P

ETA: son_of_darkness even made a comic about it, hee!

Comments

[ladybelz.livejournal.com]

The icon says it all.

I live in my own little slashy fandom world, and I like it that way. It's nicer here. And we have better icons. So there.


*Cheers and throws flowers*

[tm-nicholas.livejournal.com]

Haha!

-loves-

[originalintent.livejournal.com]

Amen!

[son-of-darkness.livejournal.com]

w00t.

[dreamerneva.livejournal.com]

I live in my own little slashy fandom world, and I like it that way. Amen to that, although I have to admit that seeing certain ships/situations in canon does sometimes ruin my fic experience.

[zentariana.livejournal.com]

I read a lot of fic before reading the last book and it actually made me enjoy the book less. Some slashers actually made more believable plot points. (Lupin and Tonks? That whole thing was awkward and weird)

Your way is probably more logical since the books are supposed to be the point. :)

[tqpannie.livejournal.com]

I love slash and het. So I think I'm in the minority. As long as anything is well written and characters done right I'm good with it.

What I hate is when people assume anything in fanon is canon. There is only one Canon. We just play in that world and have fun. I don't think anyone should be running down any writing because as long as it's good who cares.

For the love of God I wrote Harry putting Draco in a cage with his other toys. I wrote Harry killing ginny because she called him baby. *don't ask*

[tarajw.livejournal.com]

"I wrote Harry putting Draco in a cage with his other toys."

Hmmm...this sounds like my kinda story.

[tarajw.livejournal.com]

"It's nicer here. And we have better icons."

Well stated!

[pir8fancier.livejournal.com]

I didn't even have the energy to comment. The idea of someone reading or writing fanfiction and complaining about the adherence to or absence of canon is a whack job. If that's their argument, it went out the window the second they decided to read or write ANY sort of fanfiction, whether it be hetero, slash, or involving furry animals. What I found so irritating about it was this high horse attitude. I thought the undercurrent was frankly, "You perverts," with a capital P. Now normally, I quite like being called a pervert, but I don't think it was meant in that context.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

If that's their argument, it went out the window the second they decided to read or write ANY sort of fanfiction

Absolutely!

[thalialunacy.livejournal.com]

Big fatty-bo-batty WORD from me.

[karadin.livejournal.com]

I think the reason people hate slash (other than content) is that it is so popular and people can't stand when something they abhore and think wrong for whatever reason, goes on without their say-so.

So what if you make Harry and Draco gay? There is some room in canon for the pairing, if you take Harry's inexperience and his obsession with Draco in Book 6, the idea of fanfic is the work it takes to make it plausible, be it het or slash, AU or crossover.

This idea that only slash is 'against the author's intent for the character' and nothing else is absurd. How many fics have I read where there is incest, torture, rape? What about those fics? Complaining about boys love is small potatoes.

I'm not anti-gay. I'm pro-artistic integrity. If you are so much about the artistic integrity, stop with the fan-fic dammit!

I read a post by an author that was anti-slash, and went on about not being homophobic, but in their fic they made Orlando Bloom (yep, that's right, not fan-fic but RPS!) a Catholic priest. Orlando Bloom in RL is a Buddist, would not reading about himself as a priest or rabbi be offensive to him?


And I don't read fics that do. I'm not anti-gay. I'm pro-artistic integrity.

[capra-maritimus.livejournal.com]

More than likely Orlando would be amused, then quote the 'Oh Lord, you are so very big' speech from 'meaning of Life'. LOL

[nivella.livejournal.com]

Can I just say? Thank you. Thank you and AMEN. No good can come of fighting over fictional characters. Make porn not war! Unless it's a porn war. Porn wars are awesome. >9

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Your icon, besides being a great example of my last statement, has totally made my day!

[karadin.livejournal.com]

Oh dammit, I think the journal just got locked, and I was going to comment!

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Wow, that was like, the shortest wank ever. :-P

[piratesmile331.livejournal.com]

Beautifully put.

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

and I did indeed note the distinct lack of buttsex in them.

I remember I felt like something was missing in the books as I read them - now I know what it was.

XD

[shezan.livejournal.com]

I have actually read the books, and I did indeed note the distinct lack of buttsex in them

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[alisanne.livejournal.com]

Word! Although, I'm sure someone's blowing SOMEONE in the broom shed... :)

[araythea.livejournal.com]

One of the things I love about slash aside from the buttsex is seeing how close to canon the authors can get. It's always a bit of a jump in character and some people make seem effortless and I love it.

My point is that I think of it as more of a challenge for slash writers and I love that aspect of it as well.

[fiona-fawkes.livejournal.com]

Oh well said.

[mordyn4]

ICON!!!!!!!!! *dies*

[sirius-my-luv.livejournal.com]

amen love, amen. and we do have better icons. not many know im a slasher but a friend of mine told a guy friend that i am (not that i care). then at prom, while a bunch of us were dancing, said guy friend was like "wait...OMG your a slasher... an HP slasher in particular" and im like "proud of it baby". that definately got everyones attention. and then he was like "im a slasher too". we went all fangirlish and were "squee"ing (and can you believe that he's not gay... he says he isn't, but i just dont think he realizes that he might even be bi)- i sound like a tart right now. all hail slash!

[physixxx.livejournal.com]

we went all fangirlish and were "squee"ing (and can you believe that he's not gay... he says he isn't, but i just dont think he realizes that he might even be bi)-

now now now, let's not go about ostracizing the non-gay male slashers...

if teh lezboes can like it, then so can the str8 boiz.

;)

[ms-monypeny.livejournal.com]

*snickers* Wow, the 'It's nicer here. And we have better icons. So there.' comment was such a 'Yeah, well, you smell bad!' road. Loved it.

[jedirita.livejournal.com]

Awww, I wanna read the original post now. You know, like how you can't help watching people do incredibly stupid things.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

It's a bit like a car crash, isn't it?

Lumos, baby!! :-D

[physixxx.livejournal.com]

i'd punch her in her balloon knot.......



... but she flocked the post.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I couldn't resist. ;-)

[dartmouthtongue.livejournal.com]

That's just fucking ridiculous. xD

I mean, fine, you don't have to like slash, I know plenty of people who don't. I even know gay guys who hate slash and just have a prejudice about it as being exploitative and unrealistic. Plenty of it, is exploitative and unrealistic, but I've found lots of jems in it too.

I don't like some squeeing girl's perceptions of homosexuality = slash, but I'm not going to get into that right now.

The point is that unless she can explain to me how homosexuals are THAT much different from heterosexuals, I will never understand why she would perceive homosexuality as so disgustingly far from canon. Why is Draco being gay any more un-canon than having him grow his hair long or fall in love with Hermione?

She says she hates slash, and the first things she mentions is that she doesn't get aroused by watching or two men having sex with each other. While I admit that it might be necessary to see the attraction in m/m in order to write slash (though I've known lesbians and asexual people who write it) I don't see why that factor would be important in order to read it. I read Lady Chaterley's Lover when I was 16, just as I was getting to realize that my homosexual activities weren't just experimentation, and I remember having liked it very much. I saw the characters as people, and could sympathize with their passion.

Now, if I just saw them as pervy heteros, then I might have felt some disgust. The thing, though, is that I saw them as people, not just as a heterosexual couple. I'm a person too, and usually people can sympathize with others whatever the sexual orientation, unless there's some sort of prejudice that sabotages that fellow-feeling.

You know, instead of reading D/H and sneering over the yucky homo buttsecks, she might try to imagine them as people. She could concentrate on the nature of the conflict, and how their relationship serves as an archetype for all problematic relationships. She might even take a sociopolitical view of things and think of Draco as symbolizing dictatorship, racism, intolerance, and elitism, and Harry as a symbol of democracy, tolerance, amalgamation-- and how even these positive symbols could become tyrannical if too much force is used to promote them.

I'm rambling here, and my thoughts are not as organized as they should be, but my point is that to dismiss slash because it doesn't arouse us, or because it's "un-canon" is, to me, idiotic. We should never try to dismiss any type of literature, just because it doesn't address people exactly like us. Imagine if that's how I choose my reading material? I'd only look for books with 20something, latin top gays with a penchant for nellie bottoms.

Sure, she can hate slash, but to try to justify herself (as if she had to) with 'reasons' like these and expect anyone to buy into her bullshit and react in a positive manner... It's insulting to me, that this is the only thing she can see when reading about homosexuals: yuck-anal-sex and yuck un-canon.

I like slash because it allows me to see young gay characters portrayed as heroic figures, not just tragic ones besieged by AIDS, prostitution loneliness or predatory older men. In slash we're not the victim or the joke, we're the heros. For gay boys like me slash is a fucking oasis.

[karadin.livejournal.com]

wow, I'd like to rec your response!

[sweetinstigator.livejournal.com]

hear , hear !

[singlewoman.livejournal.com]

I am stunned, just stunned to find out the slash is OCC! A well worded piece, as usual. All I can say is just keep writing.