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I was going through a drawer last night and came across an issue of Manscape, a little gay porn magazine full of short erotic stories, clearly intended to be held in one hand (aka a "jackoff mag"). It was a souvenir from a slash get-together a couple of years ago, during which we all read excerpts of the stories for entertainment.

And in case you've never read this sort of thing (and some of you might not have), let me just say that it can be highly entertaining. Here's a sample excerpt.

Excerpt from a story called Park Plowing, authored by someone named R.H. in July 1995:

I pulled his tank top over his head and let my tongue leisurely travel all over his chest. I sucked his tits into my mouth, one by one, noticing that his pecs were well-developed and hard as stones. He tasted like raw beef and smelled of a hint of cologne. My bloated crank jumped up and down in anticipation, splattering his shorts with pecker tracks. I undid the three buttons on his shorts, and they dropped down to just about his hips, where they got hung up on his stiff hard-on. I knelt down and released them from his chunk of manmeat, which jumped out, practically hitting me across the face. He was clipped, as I was, and was drooling his pre-cum in copious amounts. I kissed his delectable wanger and sucked on his bulbous knob, and then I slipped his shorts off and started to get up.

"I like you right where you are," he said, as he pushed lightly on my shoulders.

I got the message and deep-throated him -- slowly -- but in one long swallow. I sucked him with my throat muscles, as he moaned his pleasure. His slick torpedo grew wider in my throat and was throbbing out an urgency I could not fail to notice. He suddenly, but with a long sigh, pulled his hammer from my lips and knelt down beside me. With one fluid movement, he had us arranged in the classic sixty-nine -- each gulping the other's love-muscle to the hilt. We began a slow sucking with our tongues, swabbing around the other's manmeat. Sweat was forming on our chests and backs, which told each other how hot we were. Our hips slammed against each other's face in a mouth-fuck meant to bring our nuts off quickly. Our breath was jagged, and we knew we were close to our gigantic orgasm. To my surprise, and small frustration, he yanked his dripping hose from my mouth and reached down to pull my lips from his succulent pillar of fleshy steel.

"Let's not come so soon," he suggested and moved around easily, so that his lips were against mine. I knew from the moment he took my cock between those lips that they were soft, hot, and longing. We made love for at least thirty minutes, holding each other tight. We must have exchanged pints of saliva as we got to know each crevice of the other's mouth. We groaned out our heated desire and caressed the body we had already grown to love. Our passion built as our lust became unmistakable. He put his hands around my rump and, in one, quick movement, flipped me over on my stomach. His head was buried in my asshole in a second, and his tongue was going crazy inside my black pit. He licked every inch of the inside of my channel, causing it to become a marsh. I reared my ass cheeks up against his mouth, wiggling with crazed emotion, wanting more and more of his head inside me.

He replaced his tongue with a finger, running around inside my pulsing passage. While I was in ecstasy, moaning out feral sounds, he reached over and puled the sack over to him. I couldn't see what he was doing, and didn't care. I just wanted him to keep up the action in my joychute, but I felt a coldness hit my ass-lips. Before I realized that he was greasing me up, getting ready to fuck me, I was about ready to explode. My pucker hole hadn't been used for a while, so I knew it'd be tight. But I love to be fucked by someone who knew how to do it, and this humpy stud would certainly meet my requirements.

He stroked his humongous cock back to harness, greased up, found the target, and slammed his fuck-pump into me in one sudden plunge. He screwed me hard and deep for about five minutes. My cum sauce was boiling wildly, and each time his truncheon brushed my prostate, I got closer and closer to orgasmic bliss. He lunged into me one more time and held his monstrous pole deep inside me. As he twitched his squiggly semen into my guts, I felt as if in ecstasy. The first volley of his cockgravy touched off my bloated nuts. I shot my slimy cum into my hair, down my face, and finally, splattering it on my chest. We held that position for several minutes and disentangled ourselves.

As he pulled out, he announced, "It's time for that drink." He poured some Coke out of two cans, filled them with booze, shook them slightly, and handed me one. We sat there drinking, stopping now and then to investigate the genitals of each other. We'd lick and suck the source of our joy in between our gulps of Coke.




Okay, that's probably enough of that. The thing that amazes me about this story (and believe me, it's pretty typical of the ones in the issue I've got) is that despite the fact that the writing is twelve kinds of bad, it got published. I mean, someone got paid to write that schlock! I'm sure many people who bought the magazine read it and found it incredibly hot, but it leaves me giggling and cringing. It's fine, technically -- the grammar, spelling, and punctuation are correct for the most part. Yet, it's terrible writing.

So let's take this as an exercise, then. What would you say it is that makes this an example of bad writing? If someone sent this to you to beta, what concrit would you give them? Why is it so terribly cringe-worthy?
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Date: 2006-07-25 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madlori.livejournal.com
Three words: less is more.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Okay, but what does that mean, really? Do you mean to cut out adjectives, or adverbs, or half the sentences, or what?

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesptwd.livejournal.com
Holy euphemisms Batman!

If someone sent this to me to beta (which I don't do anyway), I think my first response would be to think it was a joke. It's SO over the top and exaggerated. But, yeah... the utter abuse of euphemisms are what completely kills it, IMO.


The worst part My cum sauce was boiling wildly,

Date: 2006-07-25 02:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ias.livejournal.com
That was the bit that really got me (thank god I'm the only one in the office today!)

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gameazel.livejournal.com
The metaphors are ridiculous; please don't compare body parts involved in sex with marshes and raw beef and black pits. And the bad porn-language, by god! Manmeat. Love-muscle. Joychute.

*headdesk* (not concrit, just..unbearable pain)

Date: 2006-07-25 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
LOL, yeah! The euphemisms are pretty bad. I mean, hello, raw beef? But it's more than that, somehow. If you took those out, it would still be bad writing, IMO.

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:13 pm (UTC)
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First rule to write good porn: Don't use embarassing metaphors for certain parts of the male anatomy.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
And yet, that seems to be the first rule broken in so many of these stories, somehow!

And what's the second rule?

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lokifan
Oh...my...god.
I was in pain reading that. Now I'm laughing hysterically but that's with the benefit of distance.
The euphemisms...dear God.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
The euphemisms alone are entertaining! But it's bad on a whole 'nother level below that.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalldoro.livejournal.com
I agree with everything everyone said already...so many ridiculous metaphors! It's horrible! ...it also amuses me how OBVIOUSLY it's written by a man. :) Not that that's what makes it bad, it's just so amusingly obvious.

Oh and that line: "We made love for 30 minutes..." Right. I think it's always kinda bad when people try to stick timing into stories. "He did that for 10 minutes and then moved on to -whatever- for 5 minutes." It kinda ruins the mood.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
You know, I wouldn't bet it was written by a man, actually. I think a lot of women wrote for these mags, because it paid and was quick and easy, and there are a lot more female than male writers out there.

I'm not sure what that 30 minutes refers to, either. Was the whole story supposed to be set in 30 minutes? Or did they lay there and kiss and grope each other for 30 minutes? It isn't clear, which is part of what makes this so sloppily written.

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skarch86.livejournal.com
All I can tell you now is that joychute is my new favourite word.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
*sporfle* And what an appropriate icon!

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weasley-hobbit.livejournal.com
I am not a writer. However, I do not like when reading a piece that leaves nothing to my imagination. I mean, I still like to know what is going on in the scene, but in that scene I can't imagine anything for myself.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
And it adds in things I really didn't want to imagine, too. :-P

Date: 2006-07-25 02:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] karaz.livejournal.com
Omg, the poor gay men. Is that all they've got to wank to? Someone needs to get these boys some PWP slash, stat.

I don't think there were many bad euphemisms and metaphors left. It's like the author had a list and tried to use them all. Cockgravy? Check. Joychute? Check. Pulsing Starfish? Shit! Forgot one!

It a terrible first person, present-tense narrative too.

Tell me you're gonna sumbit something. Pretty please?

Date: 2006-07-25 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
LOL! This mag no longer exists, actually. The issue I've got was from 1995, right on the front edge of the internet boom. I think most guys probably get their jollies online these days. I don't really know what the average gay man on the street would think of slash. It's so much more character-focused than this, you know?

I don't think there were many bad euphemisms and metaphors left. It's like the author had a list and tried to use them all. Cockgravy? Check. Joychute? Check. Pulsing Starfish? Shit! Forgot one!

*sporfle* Yes, exactly!

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winnett.livejournal.com
"I sucked his tits into my mouth" Huh? Ugh! Tasted like raw beef? Wow.

This entire thing cracks me up. It is crap. Not even very hot either. *sigh*

Yea, I would first tell the person to not use such silly names for body parts. That just makes you want to giggle. Joychute?

Date: 2006-07-25 02:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] helens78
Actually, "tits" for male nipples has been around for decades, at least dating back to the '70s, so it's got a pretty strong history even in good male-focused gay fic -- so that one doesn't bother me. That one's just a matter of women not liking it 'cause it doesn't have a history in slash, IMO.

I'm not saying it doesn't make me giggle, but it most definitely has a place here, even if most of those euphemisms have got to go!

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] helens78
It seems pretty standard for male-focused stroke fic, which means it's got the same idiosyncrasies most such writing would have -- the primary one being the euphemisms. My God, he repeated one, I think -- manmeat. And the ones for semen are even worse. >_<

I agree with the people who are saying there are too many adjectives and adverbs, too. I'd never thought of it as being a matter of insecurity with the story, but that's exactly what it is -- if you're not convinced people will understand exactly how you mean something, you tend to throw in adjectives and adverbs to make it perfectly clear. I started doing that when I was RP-writing, because it was easier to throw in an adverb than to do a whole line of meta explaining how a character was saying something -- but in a good piece of fic, reaction follows statement in such a way that you don't need all those damn adverbs to clue in your audience. (I think clipping them on read-through after an RP fic is done would probably improve most RP fic, really.)

Date: 2006-07-25 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I'm sure we've had this conversation before, but yeah, absolutely. I also went through that phase of modifying everything (as you well know because you were my beta at the time), and it just took support, gentle concrit, and development of confidence in my own writing for me to get over it.

My God, he repeated one, I think -- manmeat.

LOL! But it's not so different from fanfic writers using twelve different euphemisms for their characters, IMO.

Date: 2006-07-25 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyrie17.livejournal.com
I wouldn't even know where to start. I think if someone sent it to me for beta, I'd send it back and say "start over". What bothers me most is the lack of plain english. What's wrong with calling a penis a penis (or a cock or prick)...and then being fairly consistent? Why call it a crank, pecker, manmeat, whanger, torpedo, hammer and most hilarious of all, "succulent pillar of fleshy steel" ????????? (and that's just the first 2 paragraphs).It certainly doesn't sound very attractive, and it's very distracting.

Thank you for sharing it. It's quite entertaining (in a shuddery way).


Date: 2006-07-25 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
It certainly doesn't sound very attractive, and it's very distracting.

Yes, absolutely! I have the same problem with writers using euphemisms like "the Gryffindor" and "the blond", for exactly the same reason. It's distracting because you're calling attention not to the cock (or person) itself, but to some outlandish property of it.

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Date: 2006-07-25 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myrafur.livejournal.com
@_______@

Oh, god, Emma! Ahhh, it only makes me appreciate the good fanauthors on my flist even more.

*clings to you*

Date: 2006-07-25 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
See, I had an ulterior motive. ;-)

Date: 2006-07-25 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] andylove101.livejournal.com
I am not a native English speaker and, even though I actually feel more comfortable writing in English than in my native language, I sometimes have problem separating both because in Spanish usually the more words the better. At least in my country, we have a tendency to write so much crap that is really not necessary.

But even I can tell that this piece is way over the top. I agree with a lot of these comments. It’s just way too descriptive… too exaggerated. It tells more than what a reader needs (or even wants) to know. And even some of the comparisons… I would prefer not to have that image.

Date: 2006-07-25 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Ah, that's interesting -- so even for a non-native speaker of English it's obvious that this is bad!

And yeah, the anus-as-marsh metaphor, for example, was one I could have done without. :-P

Date: 2006-07-25 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-osiris.livejournal.com
0_o There are no words.

Like what most everyone else has said- there's too much in terms of description. The overuse of euphemisms makes it terribly hard to read. And honestly- I don't see how the word "joychute" (makes me think of a water park ride) would get anyone hot. ^_^

Date: 2006-07-25 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
LOL, true! "Mommy, can we go on the joychute?"

Date: 2006-07-25 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlecup.livejournal.com
Eh, WTF? Are they talking about shagging on going for train ride? I'm confused...and scared.

I just wanted him to keep up the action in my joychute, but I felt a coldness hit my ass-lips.
Well, I just thought he farted there for some reason. But, seriously? I really thought I was reading about trains. Poor little coal burner. At least he makes gravy for the chicken fried steak they serve?

Date: 2006-07-25 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Well, I just thought he farted there for some reason.

*is on the floor laughing*

Gravy!

Date: 2006-07-25 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simmysim.livejournal.com
I sucked his tits into my mouth, one by one, noticing that his pecs were well-developed and hard as stones.

Ugh. 'Noticing' is the thing that REALLY gets to me there. It's such a lazy thing to write, in most cases, and probably VERY inaccurate in this case. BoyA was NOT just noticing that BoyB's pecs were hard, I'll bet you anything.

Well, I guess I would say that it feels rushed, and, has too much of a dream-like feel. Things kind of jump around, and there's too much emphasis on certain spots. The reader feels kind of lost. For the writer's style, I'd say a proper length for writing what's going on here is about two more pages. Or like, two paragraphs of vague hotness.

You know, this really feels like I'm reading someone's rough, rough, rough draft. :\

Date: 2006-07-25 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
There's really quite a lot in here that I'd call lazy writing. And yes, I totally agree that it comes across as a rough draft. It definitely feels rushed, like someone wrote it in one sitting and sent it off to let the magazine editors do the proofreading.

For me, the eroticism of a story is a function of its realism in dialogue, feelings, and reactions, and there's just nothing realistic here.

Date: 2006-07-25 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] parthenia14.livejournal.com
I think 'cock gravy' was the best.

Ewwwwwww.:D

I would write more but I've got to go. As opposed to, y'know, cum.

Date: 2006-07-25 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Rim shot! ;-)

Date: 2006-07-25 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eliminate.livejournal.com
I sucked him with my throat muscles, as he moaned his pleasure.

I stopped there.

If I was sent this to beta then, I don't know, I wouldn't feel right sending it back with a big red 'x', but there'd certainly be red pen through... I'm guessing, everything.

Either that or I'd 'lost' it, and when asked why I haven't returned the fic, lie and say I must've never received it, sorry.

Date: 2006-07-25 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Yeah -- since when did individual muscles have the ability to create vacuums?

It is indeed terribly painful, but in all seriousness, what specifically do you think is wrong with it? And no fair saying "everything". ;-)

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Date: 2006-07-25 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elzybub.livejournal.com
So through reading this I've come to the conclusion that women write better butt sex then gay men do. That's kind of sad.

Date: 2006-07-25 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if a woman wrote this, actually. I've heard that most of these sorts of stories are actually written by women. I think the bigger question is, is this really what men would prefer to read?

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Date: 2006-07-25 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annearchy.livejournal.com
Here via [livejournal.com profile] madlori (and I remember meeting you briefly at TWH so HI :)

All I can say is that jackoff mags must pretty much take any story tossed their way. Either that or you get points for using every possible purple-prose variation of bodily parts (ass-lips?? cock-gravy?? *brain esplodes* )

adja;dkfja;klfj;akjf!!afdag-9f!

Date: 2006-07-25 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Maybe they get paid by the euphemism? :-P

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Date: 2006-07-25 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver89kitten.livejournal.com
Oh, Emma... where do you find these things? -gigglesnort- I can't even begin to give any concrit... I'm just still so... confused. Does this actually get people off? I feel so bad for these poor gay subscribers. -sheds tears of pain for the readers and then finishes laughing her ass off at the euphamisms-

And also? If it tastes like raw beef? DONT EAT IT! -snort-

Date: 2006-07-25 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I seriously found it in a drawer -- some other slasher found it and gave it to me for a laugh!

Date: 2006-07-25 04:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anotherslashfan.livejournal.com
I'd like to say what's wrong, only I had to stop reading after the first two paragraphs, and whenever I try looking at it, I have a weird compulsion to flinch and blink, so I can't read a thing. Unbelievable.

I simply have to show this text do a gay friend of mine. He once read a Snarry story I had lying around an his only comment was: "I can't believe Snape is taking it up the arse." I must tell him that he should be happy he actually was able to read a story about gay sex that was readable. ;)

Date: 2006-07-25 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Please do, and come back and tell us what he said!

Date: 2006-07-25 04:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
Oh. My. Sainted. Aunt. This is so bad, it's a pity they don't have an X-rated category at the Bulwer-Lytton Awards. ("It was a dark and stormy asscrack...")

This is bad in the way that gay porn movies, or indeed any kind of porn movies, are bad: lots of description, absolutely zilch going on in the minds of anyone - protagonists, writer, cameraman. No desire, no intent, no sensation, no tension, no motivation, no (perish the thought) plot. Which is why, incidentally, the Hunter James-Damon DeMarco movie is good - these two are in love; affection makes them hot. This is scratch-the-itch porn in which you don't even get to feel that scratching is nice. I would also say that the writing, while competent, is incredibly vulgar, but vulgar can be hot. Not here, though.

Really, I think we should start a porn imprint. Most of us can write a LOT better than this.

Date: 2006-07-25 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
It was a dark and stormy asscrack...

ROFL!

You're absolutely right that it's completely vulgar without being hot. I don't think I could have written something like this if I tried, you know?

I think we should start a porn imprint. Most of us can write a LOT better than this.

Seriously! There's money to be made, apparently. ;-)

Date: 2006-07-25 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
Oh, and have you shown this to gay friends? What do they say?

Date: 2006-07-25 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I haven't -- I should, though.

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