It can be cookie time now pls?

[emmagrant01]

It feels a bit like the sky is falling. I start to read some of the comments on all the posts on news and my head hurts -- but reading meta on the topic makes it hurt more. I don't know what the answer is, but it seems pretty clear that the folks at 6A really don't understand fandom at all. And sadly, I'm not sure that any of this makes them want to try.

I have very little fic that would put me into danger of bannination under current guidelines (and I use that term very loosely, seeing as they don't really exist in any usable form), but that doesn't mean this mess doesn't affect me. It does, and it affects all of us. It's starting to look like large segments of fandom will not be welcome on LJ in the near future, and I honestly don't know what I should do about that. It feels too soon to panic in some ways, but then, the people whose LJs were deleted didn't get a warning, did they?

So I'm curious about what other people are doing, which means: Poll.

[Poll #1035835]

I'm having trouble using Semagic to cross-post. I don't seem to have a "Post to multiple journals" option like all of the instructions say. I also decided to install eFiction on my site to archive my own fic (since I've been using LJ as an archive) and I canNOT get fics to load. Arrrgh.

Comments

[thescarletwoman.livejournal.com]

I think you need the latest version of Semagic to get the option. I didn't have it, then I upgraded and the option was later available under the file menu. So if you don't have it -- try the upgrade. :)

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Ah, but I did upgrade, and it's not there. That was the first thing I tried, actually. Hunh.

[daiseechain.livejournal.com]

I have very little fic that would put me into danger of bannination under current guidelines

Unfortunately, yes, you do. Each and every one of us who has ever written fic and posted it to LJ can be banned because we are violating copyright. Unless our fic is clearly parody, or analysis of the originating work, then we are in violation of the law, and therefore of LJ's rules.

While I think it unlikely that LJ will begin mass deletions of all fanfic journals, the idea that we are immune because we haven't really done anything wrong is a fallacy.

It won't make me stop posting fanfic though.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I should have said "immediately", because I don't count copyright violation. They haven't actually banned anyone for that yet. :-P

[ciel-vert.livejournal.com]

I sort of want to click all the ticky boxes in your poll, but I didn't. For now, I'm staying LJ-based but using my GJ and IJ to keep up with everyone else who's leaving. I'm just at a loss as to what to do, aside from see where everyone and my comms go and follow them as best I can. Scribblet, once it's finished, definitely seems like the best long-term option if their server can handle it. But then again, if we're all united and go to the same place, we can pour enough money into Scribblet to make it feasibly as strong as LJ.

[annephoenix.livejournal.com]

I've been running an efiction archive for a few years and am sooo glad in the light of this madness that I decided to keep it updated with everything of mine ... that said the main reason I'm commenting is to recommend the efiction help boards (linked from the main developer's page I believe or googleable), as over the years I have had a LOT of problems with that script. Installing was a nightmare and then upgrading it was a hundred times worse ... That forum saved my life :D.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I spent some time on the eFiction forums today, but didn't see anyone with the exact problem I'm having. I've asked my provider to look at what I've got so far before I go and post there. At this point, I can't upload fics at all. It just churns away and then times out. I have no idea why. :-P

[peppery-lime.livejournal.com]

i clicked both staying LJ-based and leaving for greener pastures, because AT THE MOMENT i'm staying LJ based, but by the end of January 2008, I will *most likely* have shifted. we'll see what happens. my time frame may move up, i may change my mind. it depends on what happens.

[lauramcewan.livejournal.com]

Me, too. *sigh*

[drusillas-rain.livejournal.com]

I'm leaving lj as soon as I move all my stuff over to other journals. I'm in fandom to write, to meet people who love the books as much as I do, to fantasize, to imagine what if, and occasionally to deal with topics that are difficult for me and that I need to get out of my system. The climate of fear and anger is too much for me to stand, and it's eating up all my time (even the time I don't really have). I'm also planning on leaving my RL lj (under a different name), because I have no interest in using lj in any way shape or form.

The main thing I'm going to regret is that innevitably I'll lose touch with someone I've met here.

[ldybastet.livejournal.com]

This is how I feel as well. *nods* This atmosphere is draining all creativity and all the sense of fun out of me.

I will still read my flist here on LJ, keep an eye on communities for as long as I have them, and possibly post links to fics off-site, but other than that, my main journal is IJ now.

The losing touch with people is an unfortunate thing, though. :-(

[ichiko.livejournal.com]

(This is elaboration/kungfooqueen/cara in [not so] sekrit alternate journal)

I'll still be lurking around LJ simply for the ability to read and comment on my friends list, as I know and understand that many of them wont want to move.

However, seeing as this company has accused and possibly reported myself and Pond for Child Pornography and have not tried to communicate with us AT ALL, I am too disgusted to want to associate with LJ/6A anymore than I have to.

So for now, I have names reserved on IJ and JF, but the only other place I'm actively posting right now is greatest journal. I'm also looking into getting a webhost, but unfortunately I dont know the first thing about this stuff.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

[aliciajd]

I'd rather stay and wish this would just all go away. But I've got backup journals all over the place just in case the worst happens.

The problem with the cross posting is that there is no way that I can read 4 full lists every day and I struggling to skim through the other journals to be certain that I'm not missing anything that is only being posted on a particular journal.

For now I'm hoping that people keep a level head. I would be terrible if everything fell apart in this HP slash community because the hotheads try to push the envelope too far and shove 6A to the wall.

My own feeling is that we need to lock down all our posts, make sure our own flists are all over 18 years old, and archive all NC17 stuff off site and just post links under flocked cuts cuts. But I'm not an author or an artist and those decisions need to be left up to the individual on their own journals.

I'd love to see fandom have its own journal system, but don't see what good it will do unless the servers are based somewhere like Holland. Even then, we would have to separate the under-aged stuff so that our Aussie friends don't risk prosecution by viewing something that would get them into trouble.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

My own feeling is that we need to lock down all our posts, make sure our own flists are all over 18 years old, and archive all NC17 stuff off site and just post links under flocked cuts cuts.

But the problem is that TPTB have said that flocking, or even posting things privately doesn't make a difference. It's not that they don't want minors to have access to that material; it's that they don't want to host it at all. And that is a huge problem IMO.

[lauramcewan.livejournal.com]

Catch me on Googletalk and I'll walk you thru the multi-post. Be sure you have the most recent Semagic update.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I can't seem to get the upgrade to run, actually. Every time I try, it fails. Waah!

[lazy-daze.livejournal.com]

I have a GJ, IJ and JF for worst case scenario - I REALLY don't want to leave. I'll only follow if everyone does. Crossposting's all well and good, but we need a crossreading system, that doesn't involve maintaining and reading multiple flists which is too huge a time sink for me, so we don't end up losing touch with people that DO leave! Bah.

[arisingstarlet.livejournal.com]

I clicked the staying on Lj until everything pans out. A couple entries later on my friends list i decide to run when i heard that Lj reports any artist to authorities. I don't think i can stay here anymore.

[phaballa.livejournal.com]

I've definitely written some things I could get banned for. I locked them and I've written THIS IS A PARODY in big letters in the warnings of some of them, but I'm not sure that will save me. I'm going to repost all my fic at Journal Fen, and continue to post my fic there as well as LJ. Hopefully I won't get kicked off, but if everyone starts leaving, it'll be easier to switch over.

[karaz.livejournal.com]

I'm sitting on my name at Lo Jo, GJ, IF and JF but I really don't have any intention of leaving to go to them unless forced to do so. Also, I strongly believe this problem will eventually crop up at any of those and am waiting for a better solution. If I decide to leave in the future, it will be to go where the majority of fandom goes.

I can cross post but I haven't begun to do so yet.

[ex-ms-katoni171.livejournal.com]

Semagic - make sure you have the latest version (1.7.0.1 is what I've got) then look under the Journal menu. Post to multiple journals is under there, but don't select it until you're ready to post, or you get an incomplete post sent to wherever you've selected. :)

[jadzia7667.livejournal.com]

It's fairly clear to me that LJ/6A does not want the HP fandom on its site. That's their right, and I'm respecting it and leaving. I won't delete my journal, because I want people to be able to find me in the other places. When comms like shota are OK, but Ponderosa's art is not, that's the clearest message they could send me. This isn't about child porn, it's not about artistic merit, it's not even about homosexual erotica.

It's about the HP fandom.

It's only a matter of time until they start attacking fic.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

It sure feels that way more and more. *sigh*

[acromantular.livejournal.com]

Working on name-squatting at different sites, but basically hanging out to see where critical mass is achieved. I don't like following multiple sites, as I've got too much else to deal with in RL.

Putting different accounts under different contact info, considering an interests list edit and potential flocking of some fic.

[dreambastion.livejournal.com]

I have no intention of leaving LJ, but I do have alternate journals. However, I likely won't start cross-posting to them unless a lot of my friends leave LJ. *shrugs* Will have to wait and see, I suppose.

[alchemy]

I'm taking steps to distance myself as much from LJ as I can without leaving completely. I'm getting my long-dead website/blog up again, and I'm genuinely excited about it. I have to stay here in some capacity, though, because I have obligations, mostly to the RPG I run, which is far too large to move anywhere else.

Interestingly, even though I disagree with LJ's decisions regarding content, that's not why I'm leaving. I'm a consumer, this is a business that has what I consider reprehensible management, and thus, I will only use them when I have no other alternative.

[aubergineautumn.livejournal.com]

...what really needs to happen is for all fandoms to announce: HEy! We are all moving to this ONE journal, everyone move now! Because I see the crazy people say oh, I've backed up on these 400 million journals. Krazee! Let's all migrate to ONE journal! Krazee people can backup where ever they want, but let's move the WHOLE fandom, cease operating here, and leave a final message that says , moved to

[daddybear716.livejournal.com]

I think things will get much worse before they get any better here at LJ. Those who are hoping for the best are, IMHO setting themselves up for disappointment. It is pretty obvious that LJ doesn't want fan-dom here and will go out of their way to make it difficult should we stay. To those who won't leave without a fight, what are you hoping to win? If you "stay and fight" you are just numbers that are not decreasing for them. "See, we can treat them like shit and they still stay here...." Some times you have to choose your battles and I believe a mass exodus will say a lot more that allowing them to treat us as the have treated pond and elab.

My plan is to back up my journal and comm and move elsewhere. Just a matter of where that will be. As for Semagic, you might want to check out wolfiekins who did a post on using it and problem solving. I also have to looking to how well all of these work on a Mac based computer. I do the majority of my online postings from my Mac, the PC laptop is just for extra and travel.

[snackbreak.livejournal.com]

I'm planning to leave, but first I have a lot of personal archiving to do and clean up and deletions etc. Also, I still have a crapload of paid time and I plan on using it, since I paid for it.

I want to use either scribblit or some other fandom-run journaling system once that begins. Therefore, staying here will allow me the opportunity to move to one of those when it happens.

[ladybelz.livejournal.com]

I'd like to use Efiction on my own site, but I haven't a clue how to set it up. I've tried and it doesn't come out right.

[kestrelsparhawk.livejournal.com]

My main reason for not leaving immediately is computer-incompetence. The amount of energy it took just to figure out free lj spanned over a year; and I still need help on pieces of it, or just ignore minor things.

I'm scared this community is going to split in every direction, which means my (usual) lurking and reading will either have to do the same, or I abandon the conversation. I'm hoping that people will at least be sure to archive AT archives as well as on LJ, just to create central points of contact.

Don't know how I could manage 3-4 flists, though.... I really do sympathize with daddybear's point above that it sends a message to leave -- but from my organizing experience, everyone canceling a paid account would be significant to them, especially if there were a central place people could report doing it -- so the next news to hit will say, "6a has lost $_000 in business and # of ljjournalists have voluntarily left in protest because of the hostile climate to fanfiction in general and the hp fan community in particular."

[byandby.livejournal.com]

I'm staying here on LJ. I have a permanent account, but in case something does up and happen, I've friended people on GJ. I don't have any interest or desire to spend money on any other journals. This problem is not going away if fandom moves to another site. *shrugs*

[trueperception.livejournal.com]

i added you as a friend on greatestjournal (hope that's okay).