Why, oh why do I love that kink so much??? What is it about rimming that does me in, every time? *hides face* Because you're determined to go to hell, that's why. And are succeeding in bringing one hell of a lot with you as well. Not that I'm complaining. From what I've heard, all the cool people will be there, anyway.
It's because rimming is the one thing that remains just a little dirty no matter how long you live with the idea.
It's like, when you first learn about straightforward, heterosexual sex, however young you are, there's this sort of disgust/awe/horror thing going through your mind. You put WHAT WHERE?!? There's a fascination there that draws you to know as much about it as you possibly can (this actually even extends farther back even to kissing. I remember listening to a preschool teacher having to dissuade her students just about every five minutes from starting up conversations about 'kiss on the lips'.)
But eventually straightforward sex becomes a theory you get used to. After all it's everywhere, you can't avoid it, everyone else seems to have no problem with it for the most part so why should you? (Also eventually the 'don't knock it till you've tried it' factor kicks in, too.)
Then somewhere around early teenagerhood, I suppose, the same thing happens with the idea of oral sex. The reaction (You put WHAT WHERE?!?) doesn't change, only the 'what' and the 'where'.
I think a lot of people's introductions to slash must work in pretty much the same way. Horror, awe, and just that little niggling bit of interest that eventually grows until you stay up late nights just to finish a damn story, or compulsively refreshing your friend's list just to see if lizardspots put up any new doodles in the last 3.43 minutes.
C'mon, I'm sure that's not just me...
But rimming... it doesn't matter how long you live with the idea. No one talks about it for the most part, most of the people you might talk to about it outside of the confines of a bedroom give the knee-jerk reaction of disgust, so there's no way to become immune to the slight dirtiness... but then again, having already gotten used to so many other things, the proportion of curiosity to disgust gets a little more even...
Then again, there's the fact that for many people performing rimming or being rimmed, at first there's an element of humiliation that most other sexual practices just don't normally evoke (as in the fic you rec'd above... which was particularly delightful, by the way.)
Basically, it just can't help but push all the buttons of particularly twisted individuals such as you and myself.
Yes, I agree with all of this! Thanks for posting such an interesting comment.
I'll never forget the first time I ever heard the term (or the concept) of rimming: when I was 15, I used to ride my bike up to a used bookstore that had an adult section. I'd sneak in, grab a few books, then stow them inside a copy of something else and read. I found I had a special liking for gay porn (what a shock, huh?), and it was in the context of reading a kinky little bondage scene in a book of lesbian erotica that I first read about rimming. And I was like, whoa. It was disgusting and yet totally hot. It would be two more years before I became sexually active, but that idea was definitely in my head, associated with a long list of weird things people did in bed.
Yet, I never asked anyone to do it to me. In fact, I didn't ask for stuff in bed very often. I was pretty shy about it all, so I tended to let guys take charge. I was probably 19 or 20 the first time I experienced rimming myself. A guy was going down on me, and then he just licked a little lower, and I went oh my god. That Neville/Draco rimming fic I recently wrote was pretty much about that moment, in fact. Write what you know, as they say.
The first time I did it to someone else, it totally turned me on, and that's about when I realized sex was a much more complicated thing than I'd ever thought it was before. This is one of the great things about slash, IMO: it's opened my eyes to the incredible variety of things people get sexual pleasure from. I was never particularly judgmental about sexual behavior, but I'm so open-minded about it now that it freaks my husband out ! :-D
So yes, it does push my buttons, and I think it's exactly that weird combination of disgust and pleasure and guilt that does it. It is a bit humiliating to admit you enjoy someone sticking their tongue up your butt, or that you like sticking your tongue up other people's butts too. It's such a relief to be able to write about the details of why it's so cool in fanfic, though, you know?
So, yeah: it's a weird thing to be turned on by. I'm weirding myself out just writing this. Thank god for pseudonyms! :-P (*)
You were reading gay porn at 15? I was still trying to straighten (who me? heh!) myself out then.
Anyhoo, I think the appeal all stems from the fact that rimming is considered taboo. Anything taboo is appealing to people though very few would admit to it. One wants to find out exactly why something is deemed off-limits.
Yes, I was reading gay porn at that tender age! ;-) I found lesbian erotica particularly interesting, I think because a lot of porn written for straight men tends to be a bit demeaning to women. There wasn't as much erotica then - at least not that I found. It was also a bit taboo, so there was that factor. I had several gay friends, but I was too shy to ask them about gay sex, so reading about it was the option I was left with.
Man, if the internet had existed when I was a kid, there's no telling what I would've gotten into! :-P
For me, in most of the fics I've read that contained rimming, the appeal is in the reaction of the person being rimmed...the way they totally forget themselves, which, at least to this degree, I've never noticed while reading about any other form of sexual practise.
I also love the battle between the feeling of disgust and embarassment at the thought of it and the intense feeling of pleasure on the other.
So, no worries, dear - you're definitely not alone :)
Called me ignorant but, I was 35 and watching Queer as Folk for the first time (ignoring my husband's reactions to me watching it) when I found out what rimming was. Needless to say I have never experience it either being the giver or the givee (is this a word?) Like the comments above mention there is an element of something that should be wrong but, I would like to try it sometime. One of the things that fiction has giving me is an extense knowledge of sexual situations and practices...I could say it has opened my view on sex to a whole new world. Thanks to all of you I have learned things I would have never have the courage to ask..
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Date: 2004-11-17 09:45 am (UTC)Because you're determined to go to hell, that's why. And are succeeding in bringing one hell of a lot with you as well. Not that I'm complaining. From what I've heard, all the cool people will be there, anyway.
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Date: 2004-11-17 09:54 am (UTC)Then I'll see you in hell!
*grins*
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Date: 2004-11-17 09:48 am (UTC)Ah, but hides face where*cough**grin* My having that kink is All Your Fault, by the way.
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Date: 2004-11-17 09:55 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-17 10:00 am (UTC)Hon, repeat after me: Kink is good! *winks*
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Date: 2004-11-17 10:50 am (UTC)It's like, when you first learn about straightforward, heterosexual sex, however young you are, there's this sort of disgust/awe/horror thing going through your mind. You put WHAT WHERE?!? There's a fascination there that draws you to know as much about it as you possibly can (this actually even extends farther back even to kissing. I remember listening to a preschool teacher having to dissuade her students just about every five minutes from starting up conversations about 'kiss on the lips'.)
But eventually straightforward sex becomes a theory you get used to. After all it's everywhere, you can't avoid it, everyone else seems to have no problem with it for the most part so why should you? (Also eventually the 'don't knock it till you've tried it' factor kicks in, too.)
Then somewhere around early teenagerhood, I suppose, the same thing happens with the idea of oral sex. The reaction (You put WHAT WHERE?!?) doesn't change, only the 'what' and the 'where'.
I think a lot of people's introductions to slash must work in pretty much the same way. Horror, awe, and just that little niggling bit of interest that eventually grows until you stay up late nights just to finish a damn story, or compulsively refreshing your friend's list just to see if
C'mon, I'm sure that's not just me...
But rimming... it doesn't matter how long you live with the idea. No one talks about it for the most part, most of the people you might talk to about it outside of the confines of a bedroom give the knee-jerk reaction of disgust, so there's no way to become immune to the slight dirtiness... but then again, having already gotten used to so many other things, the proportion of curiosity to disgust gets a little more even...
Then again, there's the fact that for many people performing rimming or being rimmed, at first there's an element of humiliation that most other sexual practices just don't normally evoke (as in the fic you rec'd above... which was particularly delightful, by the way.)
Basically, it just can't help but push all the buttons of particularly twisted individuals such as you and myself.
-Erin
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Date: 2004-11-17 11:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-17 02:16 pm (UTC)Love your icons :)
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Date: 2004-11-17 03:18 pm (UTC)Getting TMI here
Date: 2004-11-17 02:47 pm (UTC)I'll never forget the first time I ever heard the term (or the concept) of rimming: when I was 15, I used to ride my bike up to a used bookstore that had an adult section. I'd sneak in, grab a few books, then stow them inside a copy of something else and read. I found I had a special liking for gay porn (what a shock, huh?), and it was in the context of reading a kinky little bondage scene in a book of lesbian erotica that I first read about rimming. And I was like, whoa. It was disgusting and yet totally hot. It would be two more years before I became sexually active, but that idea was definitely in my head, associated with a long list of weird things people did in bed.
Yet, I never asked anyone to do it to me. In fact, I didn't ask for stuff in bed very often. I was pretty shy about it all, so I tended to let guys take charge. I was probably 19 or 20 the first time I experienced rimming myself. A guy was going down on me, and then he just licked a little lower, and I went oh my god. That Neville/Draco rimming fic I recently wrote was pretty much about that moment, in fact. Write what you know, as they say.
The first time I did it to someone else, it totally turned me on, and that's about when I realized sex was a much more complicated thing than I'd ever thought it was before. This is one of the great things about slash, IMO: it's opened my eyes to the incredible variety of things people get sexual pleasure from. I was never particularly judgmental about sexual behavior, but I'm so open-minded about it now that it freaks my husband out ! :-D
So yes, it does push my buttons, and I think it's exactly that weird combination of disgust and pleasure and guilt that does it. It is a bit humiliating to admit you enjoy someone sticking their tongue up your butt, or that you like sticking your tongue up other people's butts too. It's such a relief to be able to write about the details of why it's so cool in fanfic, though, you know?
So, yeah: it's a weird thing to be turned on by. I'm weirding myself out just writing this. Thank god for pseudonyms! :-P (*)
Re: Getting TMI here
Date: 2004-11-17 03:34 pm (UTC)Anyhoo, I think the appeal all stems from the fact that rimming is considered taboo. Anything taboo is appealing to people though very few would admit to it. One wants to find out exactly why something is deemed off-limits.
Re: Getting TMI here
Date: 2004-11-17 03:44 pm (UTC)Man, if the internet had existed when I was a kid, there's no telling what I would've gotten into! :-P
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Date: 2004-11-17 02:30 pm (UTC)For me, in most of the fics I've read that contained rimming, the appeal is in the reaction of the person being rimmed...the way they totally forget themselves, which, at least to this degree, I've never noticed while reading about any other form of sexual practise.
I also love the battle between the feeling of disgust and embarassment at the thought of it and the intense feeling of pleasure on the other.
So, no worries, dear - you're definitely not alone :)
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Date: 2004-11-17 10:37 pm (UTC)One of the things that fiction has giving me is an extense knowledge of sexual situations and practices...I could say it has opened my view on sex to a whole new world.
Thanks to all of you I have learned things I would have never have the courage to ask..