Thinky-thoughts about ST:XI fandom
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emmagrant01I've been in big-F Fandom for 7 years now (OMG), and I'm really enjoying rolling around in all the shiny new-ish-ness that is ST:XI. Not new in that the characters have been slashed by people since before I was born, but new to most of the folks on my flist who are reading and writing it after watching the film. I've never managed to come into a fandom in the beginning before (and I do consider the reboot a new beginning), and so I'm really enjoying this moment.
Here are some thoughts on this fandom, in no particular order. Lots of navel-gazing, sorry.
1. It's been a long time since I have felt so obsessively compelled to read and write fic, and I missed that feeling SO much. When I lost it after the last HP book came out, I was so sad. I had trouble motivating myself to write, and basically stopped reading fic. How much I want to read fic is a sort of barometer for how much I'm into a fandom, so it scared me when I stopped wanting to read HP fic. I'm still sad about that, and I hope I get interested again when the next movie comes out, but for now I am LOVING feeling obsessed again!
2. For the first time in, well, EVER, DH and I share a fandom. It's so, so cool to be able to be all nerdy with him, even if he isn't into it in quite the same way. We're re-watching ST:TOS together, and it's awesome to hear him go on and on about each episode and what's important about it, or what the continuity errors are, etc. Fandom is something I always did alone in my house, but having him be the one with all the detailed info is so much fun!
3. Like everyone else, I've been aware of Kirk/Spock since I first got into fandom. It's funny how I assumed that when this movie came out, I'd be all about the K/S, but that was totally not what happened. I like reading K/S, but it's not as attractive to me as Kirk/McCoy. There are a lot of reasons why that's true, I think, but it's interesting to me that the Kirk/McCoy is what I'm obsessing about.
4. As we're re-watching TOS, I totally see the Kirk/McCoy vibes. Granted, we're still in the first season, and I expect it to change, but the looks between those two, OMG! McCoy is usually staring longingly after Kirk in every scene he's in. It's stunning, really. In the past, all I've ever seen is the K/S (which I still see, of course). I don't know why this pairing never occurred to me before. Okay, I do. It's all about Urban, really...
5. DH said he always thought Bones was gay. In fact, when I told him I was shipping Kirk/McCoy,he said, "Well, that makes more sense than Kirk and Spock, since McCoy is actually gay." He didn't have a particular reason why; he just said McCoy always set off his gaydar. I find that really interesting.
6. I'm finding that my reading tastes (and writing, for that matter) are pretty narrow at the moment. For the most part, what I want to read are smutty, first-time, minimal-plot, not-too-schmoopy Kirk/McCoy fics. Fortunately for me, there are a lot of them out there! If it starts to feel like a Trek episode in the making, I tend to hit the back-button, unless the set-up for that first-time sex is really good and sucks me in from the beginning. *is shallow* This is odd because, in the other fandoms I've been in, I loved me some long, plotty fics.
7. I am loving how tolerant this fandom is of crack! Half the fics I've read have had unbelievably cracky premises, and no one even warns for it! It's awesome! I;m guessing this is because TOS itself was so freaking cracky that there's not much you can do that wouldn't make sense in that universe. Even crossovers seem pretty tame. The last TOS episode we watched was "Shore Leave", and that was pretty damn cracktastic.
8. I know I was AWOL for 18 months doing the mommy thing, but I am still amazed at how quickly the internet lingo changed. I come back and there's a whole new language! It's all "I'll be in my bunk" and "This is relevant to my interests" and "I am subscribing to your newsletter". It took me ages to figure out what Captcha was, and why people kept quoting it and even writing fics based on its prompts.
9. I uploaded my own ST fics to my web site and Skyehawke last night, and there are no character listings for the TOS characters on Skyehawke! What gives? Is there really no Old-School Trek fic on Skyehawke???
10. I know the old-school Trek fic is what got us all where we are today, but I have a hard time reading it. I feel bad about that, but I am all the the reboot characterizations, I'm afraid. I adore the ways the universe was changed, and how rough around the edges the characters are. I like my Kirk a cocky slut with a juvenile arrest record, my Bones snarky and bitter, my Spock dipping his toes in his human emotions at a younger age than Spock Prime ever did, my Scotty being played hilariously by Simon Pegg, my Chekov being adorkable jailbait, my Sulu being a BAMF with a sword, and my Uhura kicking ass and taking names. I even love me some Spock/Uhura, man. Can you see Spock Prime getting it on with one of his students? I thought not. ;-)
Tell me what you love about this fandom!
Here are some thoughts on this fandom, in no particular order. Lots of navel-gazing, sorry.
1. It's been a long time since I have felt so obsessively compelled to read and write fic, and I missed that feeling SO much. When I lost it after the last HP book came out, I was so sad. I had trouble motivating myself to write, and basically stopped reading fic. How much I want to read fic is a sort of barometer for how much I'm into a fandom, so it scared me when I stopped wanting to read HP fic. I'm still sad about that, and I hope I get interested again when the next movie comes out, but for now I am LOVING feeling obsessed again!
2. For the first time in, well, EVER, DH and I share a fandom. It's so, so cool to be able to be all nerdy with him, even if he isn't into it in quite the same way. We're re-watching ST:TOS together, and it's awesome to hear him go on and on about each episode and what's important about it, or what the continuity errors are, etc. Fandom is something I always did alone in my house, but having him be the one with all the detailed info is so much fun!
3. Like everyone else, I've been aware of Kirk/Spock since I first got into fandom. It's funny how I assumed that when this movie came out, I'd be all about the K/S, but that was totally not what happened. I like reading K/S, but it's not as attractive to me as Kirk/McCoy. There are a lot of reasons why that's true, I think, but it's interesting to me that the Kirk/McCoy is what I'm obsessing about.
4. As we're re-watching TOS, I totally see the Kirk/McCoy vibes. Granted, we're still in the first season, and I expect it to change, but the looks between those two, OMG! McCoy is usually staring longingly after Kirk in every scene he's in. It's stunning, really. In the past, all I've ever seen is the K/S (which I still see, of course). I don't know why this pairing never occurred to me before. Okay, I do. It's all about Urban, really...
5. DH said he always thought Bones was gay. In fact, when I told him I was shipping Kirk/McCoy,he said, "Well, that makes more sense than Kirk and Spock, since McCoy is actually gay." He didn't have a particular reason why; he just said McCoy always set off his gaydar. I find that really interesting.
6. I'm finding that my reading tastes (and writing, for that matter) are pretty narrow at the moment. For the most part, what I want to read are smutty, first-time, minimal-plot, not-too-schmoopy Kirk/McCoy fics. Fortunately for me, there are a lot of them out there! If it starts to feel like a Trek episode in the making, I tend to hit the back-button, unless the set-up for that first-time sex is really good and sucks me in from the beginning. *is shallow* This is odd because, in the other fandoms I've been in, I loved me some long, plotty fics.
7. I am loving how tolerant this fandom is of crack! Half the fics I've read have had unbelievably cracky premises, and no one even warns for it! It's awesome! I;m guessing this is because TOS itself was so freaking cracky that there's not much you can do that wouldn't make sense in that universe. Even crossovers seem pretty tame. The last TOS episode we watched was "Shore Leave", and that was pretty damn cracktastic.
8. I know I was AWOL for 18 months doing the mommy thing, but I am still amazed at how quickly the internet lingo changed. I come back and there's a whole new language! It's all "I'll be in my bunk" and "This is relevant to my interests" and "I am subscribing to your newsletter". It took me ages to figure out what Captcha was, and why people kept quoting it and even writing fics based on its prompts.
9. I uploaded my own ST fics to my web site and Skyehawke last night, and there are no character listings for the TOS characters on Skyehawke! What gives? Is there really no Old-School Trek fic on Skyehawke???
10. I know the old-school Trek fic is what got us all where we are today, but I have a hard time reading it. I feel bad about that, but I am all the the reboot characterizations, I'm afraid. I adore the ways the universe was changed, and how rough around the edges the characters are. I like my Kirk a cocky slut with a juvenile arrest record, my Bones snarky and bitter, my Spock dipping his toes in his human emotions at a younger age than Spock Prime ever did, my Scotty being played hilariously by Simon Pegg, my Chekov being adorkable jailbait, my Sulu being a BAMF with a sword, and my Uhura kicking ass and taking names. I even love me some Spock/Uhura, man. Can you see Spock Prime getting it on with one of his students? I thought not. ;-)
Tell me what you love about this fandom!
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Date: 2009-06-15 06:42 pm (UTC)It's been amazing to feel this rush again, the desire to do nothing but write and read and roll around in a specific ship. I've never been OTP-y before. I've always been more character-centric and reading many ships with one character. But, here, I'm all about my OTP, even if I do occasionally read other things based on recs/friends writing them. I am SO happy that others are reading/writing my ship, too, because one generally does think about Spock/Kirk as "the slash ship for Star Trek", so I sort of expected my love for Kirk/McCoy to never be that sated. SO glad I was wrong. LOL
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:06 pm (UTC)*edits to use cool new icon*
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Date: 2009-06-15 06:49 pm (UTC)1. Utterly full of unending glee at how much love and how little wank I am seeing,
2. Possibly obsessed, and
3. Bizarrely hybridizing the characterizations in my head; in pretty much every story I read or write, I hear one and see the other in my head, or hear and see some wacky hybrid. Were I an artist, I might attempt to represent this visually, because 1. WTF and 2. it's a little nuts.
(...Is I'll be in my bunk new? It's from Firefly, innit? Internet time/waves of phrasings and stuff is so odd. Plus side: stick with this and when your B is as big as my guys, you will be right there with him on the lingo, to the everlasting astonishment of his buddies. Heh.)
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:09 pm (UTC)2. Oh, yes!
3. You know, as I'm watching TOS, I can see that starting to happen in my head a little bit. It's not a bad thing, though it was definitely the reboot characterizations that snagged me.
Is that stuff from Firefly? I'd never heard it until a few weeks ago, but I was never into Firefly. All that stuff sounds pretty Whedonesque, now that I think about it...
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:02 pm (UTC)What do I love? Snarky Bones, oh yes (like Urban as Bones even better than I liked him as LotR's Éomer); and besides K/M, I occasionally read Chekov/Sulu (if it's by one of those authors). I love the brightness of Reboot.
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:12 pm (UTC)I think the future films might push me more towards K/S, depending on how slashy they make them. We'll see!
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:08 pm (UTC)My memory is pretty much made of suck these days, but I think Saavik 'helped' Spock Prime through pon farr in the third movie. Though that may have just been implied.
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:13 pm (UTC)I love that icon!
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:13 pm (UTC)I very much agree. Interestingly enough, McCoy is still my favourite *ggg*
They made some interesting changes, and I love them to pieces.
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:14 pm (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:14 pm (UTC)2. My DH is tolerant of my fannish excesses and listens to me ramble on about Trek. I think he understands more about Trek than HP, actually, because he used to watch Trek and is sort of familiar with it. He actually remembered something about Pike from TOS that I didn't know (I didn't watch much of TOS because Shatner's Kirk annoys the living hell out of me -- though I might give it another go now). And, since I'm getting our daughter hooked on Trek, he's resigned himself :)
3. Like you, I've known that K/S is the granddaddy of slash ships -- the one that started it all and gave rise to the term "slash" -- and it's what I expected to walk away from the movie shipping. Nope. Kirk/McCoy BFF OTP.
4. Karl Urban and Chris Pine. Um... yeah.
6. I think
7. Alien sex pollen FTW.
8. I'm not sure where "I'll be in my bunk" came from, I just started seeing it in response to some pretty damn hot porn and it just fit. I haven't seen the others.
9. I got the notifications for your Skyehawke uploads last night.
No, I don't stalk you.10.
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Date: 2009-06-15 09:39 pm (UTC)Alien sex pollen FTW.
Is that canon? I guess I'll find out!
The characterizations in the AOS speak to me so much more than TOS -- and exploring the differences between the two.
Yes, absolutely!
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:51 pm (UTC)Kirk/McCoy and Spock/Uhura are it for me, although I'm really enjoyed anything gen (which is very different from HP for me). I'm also getting fic ideas again, which hasn't happened in a long time either.
DH and I are rewatching all the movies first (need to get my hands on the series) and I love seeing all the Kirk/McCoy moments :)
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Date: 2009-06-15 09:40 pm (UTC)I think that's the big thing for me. Those seem like the canonical pairings at this point!
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Date: 2009-06-15 07:52 pm (UTC)Which isn't to say that I don't love the original universe! Because Voyage Home was one of the few movies you could get everyone in my family to agree on. and I even DRESSED UP to see the premiere of Nemesis. It's just... hard to explain, but the reboot hits me in all the right ways, where other series didn't? also I find it harder to be fannish about long series (although somewhere in the world, there exists me/Bashir (DS9) fic, lol). but a movie is easier to keep all the contintuity in one place, and I now have the internet to help me as a fan outlet.
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Date: 2009-06-15 08:26 pm (UTC)1. I completely agree with you re: obsessive fic reading. Although, for myself, I'm not quite as fic obsessed in Star Trek as I was in my early HP days. This is probably because there is a whole lot more canon out there that I have never seen, and I'm trying to get through it all.
In terms of HP fic, I do still read it, well I did anyways (until I saw Star Trek) but it wasn't the same excitement as it was years ago. It's funny, just today I got a notice about an HP fic update that hadn't been updated since January, and I read the new chapter, and it just didn't do it for me anymore. It was okay, held my attention, but didn't make me squee or get all excited the way it used to (or the way Star Trek fics do now!)
3. Again, I'm the same. I totally thought I'd be all over the K/S, since Quinto is teh sex, and I LOVED his Spock. Plus, they're classic! And I started reading pretty much all K/S but soon after I read some Kirk/McCoy and it just made more sense to me. I like emotion, and Spock's constant non-emotion just didn't make sense to my brain.
8. Heh, I don't know what any of those things mean! Oh well, there's always urbandictionary.com to show me the way!
10. Yet again, I agree. a) Because the reboot was awesome and the actors are so so hot!! All of them. And b) The older fic makes me think of the older actors, who I know more from the later Star Trek movies, not TOS. Therefore they're physically older and picturing 70 year old William Shatner doing anything remotely sexy makes me shudder. And even if I try to picture them from the TOS era, I thought they looked old(er) then, not to mention not very attractive to me, so reboot it is!
I love that so many people are discovering it, and it does feel like a brand new fandom. And I think for the most part are being welcome with arms wide open.
I love this fandom!!
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Date: 2009-06-15 09:59 pm (UTC)Yeah, I think that's part of why it hasn't really called to me either. I like the emotions between the characters in slash, and I'm not sure what to do with characters who don't have emotions.
OTOH, one of the things I love about this incarnation of Spock is that he struggles a lot more with his human emotions than Spock Prime ever did, and is subject to bursts of irrational anger (and other strong emotions, I can imagine) and that could make for some really interesting fic. The fics I've read which delve into that are really interesting!
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Date: 2009-06-15 08:39 pm (UTC)Re: Navel gazing is sometimes awesome.
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Date: 2009-06-15 11:50 pm (UTC)GAH, EVERYTHING!!!! *has seen the movie nine times*
I love feeling like a part of slash history. Like you, I love feeling so excited and fangirly about a new fandom. I'm still all about teh h/d, and I don't think there's a point in time I'll ever stop. It took me a good few weeks to get the hang of double fandoming it. (LOL.) It's just that I've never done it before to THIS extent, but I can manage it now. I get in HP modes and ST modes and it's all good.
Like you, I doubt I'd be so hardcore ST if it weren't for the new movie. I am also watching all the TOS episodes and loving every cracktastic minute of it, but Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner and NOT my Kirk and Spock... ESPECIALLY not when they are having sex.
I love that this fandom has made me hardcore ship het! I didn't think it could be done! Because while I am all about the K/S.... I don't know, there's just something about Spock/Uhura that just... makes me... fangirl and squee and go a little crazy. I LOVE SPOCK, basically. I doubt I'd be interested in any fic that didn't have him as a central character (unless it was Chekov/Sulu, which is ADORABLE, GUH!)
Basically I want to have a massive bridge orgy with EVERY MAIN CHARACTER. I am in love with them ALL and ship them ALL and just... yes. I love my new fandom in every way, and am currently doing my best to really deserve the title of Trekkie one day... haha.
PS.... there is a very good possibility that I will be LMH Draco at Azkatraz. =)
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Date: 2009-06-16 12:36 am (UTC)LOL, I have to agree. I'm definitely thinking about the reboot actors when I read smutty fic!
So since you're a Spock fan, I'm curious what you think about what we were discussing re: Spockfic in this thread above (http://emmagrant01.livejournal.com/431597.html?thread=15587309#t15587309)?
there is a very good possibility that I will be LMH Draco at Azkatraz.
Ahahaha! That is so fantastic! :-D
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Date: 2009-06-16 12:42 am (UTC)1.Your new avatar is great (and that photo session with zachary too- he has his face covered in something white and it makes you wanna purrr. Or drink milkshake :P).
2. New fandom, new excitment, new joy.
I always liked to start something but used to be quite careless about endings. How it will be with TS fandom? I don`t know but it`s so much fun now. All that fics to read and all that fanarts to draw- I love feeling obsessed too :D !
3. I`m watching TOS and I-X movies and that dialogues, scenes... For me there are not only K/S and Kirk/Bones vibes but some S/K/B.
4.Old school K/S you say? It`s not only hard to read (ok, there are few good stories) but also dangerous cos i`ts hard to stay sane after you`ve read such disturbing things ( Spock penis looks like an orchidea, petals and everything, and Kirk thinks it`s cute).
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Date: 2009-06-16 12:47 am (UTC)OMG, now I need a special icon, just about Spock's unusual penis...
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Date: 2009-06-16 12:51 am (UTC)It's lovely to get enthused about a new fandom again, isn't it? Though I was still religiously reading Snupin up until Torchwood took over my brain. Still, I have yet to get back into writing. I have absolutely no desire to write Torchwood fic. Maybe because not only is my pairing a frikking OTP fer chrissakes, but it's also bloody canon? I mean, what's the fun in that?
Okay, there's a LOT of fun in it. But - for whatever reason it is not conducive to writing for me.
Oddly enough, I've been feeling some nudges back toward Star Wars. Enough time has passed that I'm kinda wanting to revive some old plot bunnies about the fall of the Republic and the between-the-trilogies era. Don't know if it will come to fruition, but it's nice to be thinking some writey thoughts again.
OH, and I'd like to point out that me and Karl Urban go WAAAAAY back. He played numerous characters on Xena: Warrior Princess, particularly Julius Ceasar. McCoy has a much better haircut, though.
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Date: 2009-06-16 03:48 am (UTC)I don't see myself writing SW again, but reading ST has reminded me of it, a lot. I guess it's the sci-fi/being in space aspect, but it's also got a lot of other things in common with SW: telepathic sex, alien sex slavers, diplomatic missions to planets where the two main characters are assumed to be a couple (and have to prove it), sharing body heat to survive the night on an ice planet, and so on. LOL!
Oh yes, I remember seeing Karl Urban as Cupid on Xena! RAWR!
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Date: 2009-06-16 02:49 am (UTC)That said, I am not feeling you on #6. I am ALL ABOUT the genfic, and also the shippy adventure fics -- I'm DYING to read stories where they fly off into the unknown and have awesome adventures. :) Of course, I am also in love with angsty, schmoopy character-driven fics. so YMMV. :D
re #8: "I'll be in my bunk" is definitely a quote from Firefly, but I think those other things are from somewhere else
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Date: 2009-06-16 02:56 am (UTC)I love that there are writers from so many different fandoms that are writing ST. I was telling my sister (in perhaps a voice that was high and squeeky from glee) that we're seeing writers that we might not have ever seen, GREAT WRITERS that might have written SPN, or het, or and of the other fandoms that I'd have never noticed but its like one big internet slumber party and we're all jonesing on the popcord and squeeing.
I also love how Star Trek is where it all began for slashers, and its back in full force. Everyone thought it would be K/S, if not for the amazing stills that we saw, but K/McC is eating my soul. I thank the stars everyday that is summer, because otherwise I'd never have the time to get all of it read and I'd be missing out on the party.
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Date: 2009-06-16 03:43 pm (UTC)Yes, OMG! That's exactly what it feels like! I think I'd become a little jaded about fandom in the last couple of years, and this reminds me of what I loved about fandom in the first place, that feeling of not being alone in your weird little obsession, of wallowing in all the shiny art and fic with an almost childlike glee. It totally feels like fandom has thrown a huge party, and everyone's invited. :-D
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Date: 2009-06-16 05:54 am (UTC)I'm finding myself pretty drawn to Pinto, though, instead of Kirk/Spock or Kirk/McCoy, like I thought I might. Probably because Chris Pine is smolderingly gorgeous, haha.
But oh man... I love everything about this fandom, and I never even thought I would watch the damn movie, let alone participate in fannish glee! FANDOM ROCKS!! haha :D
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Date: 2009-06-16 03:45 pm (UTC)it's really sad losing a fandom like that, but this one came with such a blaze that it's been intense and amazing.
I know! I had forgotten what that felt like, and it's so much fun to feel it again! Even better, it reminds me that big-F Fandom is for the long haul, that I'm here for good. The little-f fandom may change now and then, and people will drift in and out, but it's all good. :-)
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Date: 2009-06-16 08:51 am (UTC)I must collect me some ST icons...
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Date: 2009-06-16 03:47 pm (UTC)Yes! It reminds me of when I first found internet fandom (Star Wars, for me) and slashfic, and realizing that it wasn't just me and OMG there were all these fics out there and people just as obsessed as I was. It was liberating and exciting, and I spent a lot of my time just being giddy about it. It's so incredibly cool to feel that way again!
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Date: 2009-06-16 03:17 pm (UTC)I was actually totally expecting to get really into Kirk/Spock myself; even the previews looked slashy, and I'm all for antagonistic relationships turning into something more. ^_^ But what I hadn't considered was the fact that I was sort of primed to notice Sulu this time around; you've seen George Takei being out, around, more politically active than ever, and awesome in the last five years, right? (If not, it's worth looking him up!) Between that and the major attention race has gotten in fandom this past year, it was suddenly far more important to me than I'd ever realized to see an Asian-American on the bridge.
AND THEN ALSO HE'S FUCKING HOT AND HE'S A BADASS AND OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG. So I was just totally gone. :D :D :D :D :D There was no hope for me.
And, you know, I think that was something I really needed. I tend to imprint on a character, too -- in some fandoms it's more than one (I think I imprinted on everyone in Highlander), but for the fandoms with real staying power, it's generally one character or a very small selection of them. It gives me focus and starts pushing me to tell their stories. (Although it does look like I'm starting to imprint on Pike, too. OMG PIKE IS SUCH A BADASS IN REBOOT. Bruce Greenwood is so unbelievably hot as Pike. ^_^)
For me, the measure of how active I am in a fandom isn't how much I'm reading (I never read everything; I read maybe a half-dozen fics a week, if that), but rather how much I'm writing. In the entirety of 2008, I wrote about 65,000 words -- all of them in September or earlier -- and in the entirety of 2007, I wrote just over 37,000 words. I've written 25,000+ words since Trek came out (almost all of them Trek-related), plus 13,000+ words on a Big Bang fic in that same time. I credit Trek entirely with pulling me out of my writing slump, and I'm so, so happy about that!
I'm also really enjoying wallowing in the canon/off-canon; I'm watching the show with Grant, I'm reading actor bios, plus I'm going to start reading the books. I feel like I have a general knowledge of the universe pre-Reboot, and a lot of my more plot-oriented ideas are figuring out how things change.
And last but not least, my last couple fandoms (SG-1 and SGA, mostly) haven't really had an outlet for darker fic. With Trek, it's built right the hell in. :D I have really been enjoying wallowing in the Mirror Universe lately! ^_^
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Date: 2009-06-16 07:37 pm (UTC)I have always loved George Takei, dude. I assume you've seen this little gem?
He is so freaking AWESOME! And yeah, Sulu in the reboot? Humina! When he pulled out that sword and was kicking him some Romulan ass, my first thought was "Oh, he is SO going to be slashed!" Not to mention that John Cho is a total hottie. I still love him in this one:
You know, I hadn't thought too much about Pike until recently. I just hadn't gotten past the hotness that is the rest of the cast, yanno? But the other night we watched "Menagerie", and now I am seriously thinking about some Pike/Spock!
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