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Buffy Diaries, S3 Episodes 16-21

If you're new to these posts, these are basically my thoughts as I watch my way through BtVS for the first time. Previous entries can be found here. I know some vague things that will happen in future seasons, but for the most part I'm completely clueless about where all of this is going. And I would really like to stay unspoiled, so thanks for being careful in your comments!

Someone requested I insert a one-line synopsis about each episode to remind people what happened, so I'm just using the ones from the DVD case. Flawed and badly written as they are. :-P


[9/04/06]


Doppelgangland:
[While casting a magic spell to help Anya regain her powers, Willow and Anya inadvertently summon Willow's evil twin, a vampire from an alternate universe.]

So Faith's back with no fanfare, eh? I mean, I know the last thing she did was save Buffy's life, but then she disappeared again, and this is apparently no big deal? She's back to training, as if nothing happened. That seems like a bit of an oversight to me. That and the fact that she's working for the Mayor just for good stuff like apartments. I guess I never really thought she was that shallow. Guess I was wrong.

It was interesting to see Anya again, and that she's trying to reinstate her powers. I wonder if that will go anywhere. Well, now that everyone knows what she's up to, perhaps not. It was interesting that this episode intersected with The Wish. It was also interesting that Willow didn't want her counterpart killed (though ironically, she sent her right back to the Wishverse to die instantly).

It was fun watching Allyson act both roles, especially when Willow was trying to be vamp!Willow. That was fun to watch, and she did a really great job of having her character try to pretend to be another character under duress.

And lulz on this bit:

Willow: "And I seem to be... gay."
Buffy: "Oh, no -- the personality of the person has nothing to do with the personality of the vampire."
Angel: "Well, actually... *pauses* Uh... no, nothing at all."

All of the Willow/Willow action was priceless. Heh. Funny because I know enough about this show to know Willow is at least bisexual, but also interesting because of what that possibly implies about the sort of person Angel really is/was.

One question I still have after this episode is why did the Mayor send vampires after Willow? They were clearly surprised to find her counterpart instead, and it seems that bit of a plan was foiled there. Hmmm...


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Enemies:
[With the help of the Books of Ascension, Faith and the Mayor plot to steal Angel's soul, then get him to kill that other Slayer -- Buffy.] (That last comma is entirely inappropriate, and actually changes the meaning of the last part of the summary.)

Serious lulz on the Buffy and Angel go to the porno cinema opening! So... what's their deal at this point? Do they consider themselves a couple? They seem to, but there's that whole tortured thing going on too. And does "pure happiness" mean sex with someone he really loves, or what? It seems like it, but that's a bit too hokey. Does that mean he could have sex with someone he doesn't like and it would be okay? What if he wanks thinking about her?

Yes, these really are the things I wonder about.

This was a really interesting episode. I started to wonder halfway through if it was all a ruse to corner Faith (when Angel sees the Mayor's hand heal, there's a little moment where his expression of surprise is just too Angel), but I was convinced that it was wishful thinking on my part right up until the moment it was revealed. Well, it became pretty clear when he was hanging back and letting Faith monologue about the Mayor and the ascension. I mean seriously, why would he want to wait around for her to talk that long? The writing on this show is far better than that. So when she said, "I'm the best actor", I said his line before it even came out of his mouth. It was just what had to be happening.

Knowing it was an act, though, all of that Buffy/Angelus dialogue takes on a whole new level of meaning, like the "chains" comment, even as he's pretending to tie her up. The bit that stands out most to me is when he says, "I never really thanked you for sending me to hell." From what I can tell, that's something they've never really talked about, and her reaction to him saying that was really interesting. I couldn't help but wonder why he would say it then. In general, I wonder about him, and what he's feeling about everything that's happened. He's in love with her, but he has so many reasons to want to distance himself from her. I've always thought that men fall harder then women do, and I can almost see that in his character, like he's knows it's hopeless but he can't help himself. She could walk away from it, but he really can't. (Not yet, anyway.)

I have to admit I really like the idea of Angel being able to play Angel so easily. And it was interesting that it upset Buffy so much -- I mean, she's seen both sides of him, and she knows they're both in there, doesn't she? Or maybe the problem is that she doesn't want to believe it. I guess that's why she said she needed a break in the end. Or maybe she's feeling guilty about everything that's happened, and is wondering if she'll ever really be able to know him like she wants to. And aw, the "Are you still my girl?" line was nearly heartbreaking. Waah, I know we're heading towards him leaving Sunnydale, and I know that's how the show has to go -- not just because it really does, but realistically, this Buffy/Angel thing isn't going to go anywhere and the show needs to move on. But I'm sad for it. Already. :-(

The Cordelia/Wesley stuff is funny, especially since there's really no attempt by either of them to keep it a secret. All the jailbait lines are cracking me up, partly because I'm wondering if it's foreshadowing. And sort of hoping it is, to be honest.

I have to admit I loved seeing Angelus again, if only for a short while. He's just so interesting as an evil demon that it's too bad they can't keep him in check like that. The lines with Faith were a lot of fun: "I knew you'd like to be on top" and "Right now I just want you to keep wriggling". Hee! Fun stuff.

So, Faith is basically evil now and knows all about the Mayor's plan. She also knows exactly how to manipulate Buffy, which is bad in one sense, but good in another -- because now, she thinks she knows Buffy's weakness. Buffy is able to suck it up and be tough when she really needs to, and Faith doesn't know that yet. I have no idea where this is all going!


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[9/5/06]


Earshot:
[After slaying a telepathic demon, Buffy is bombarded with the thoughts of everyone around her -- including one student who appears to be planning mass murder.] (Oh, please let me insert a little "those of" in there!)

So, who hasn't ever wished they could hear what other people were thinking? That was a lot of fun, particularly when people were thinking random things. I loved the fact that Xander kept thinking about sex, and Oz has all these deep thoughts that never seem to make it out of his mouth, and that Cordelia basically thinks exactly what she's about to say and nothing more. Oh, and that Angel couldn't be read at all -- nice touch, because it really forces Buffy to trust him. She needs to do that, and she doesn't need any magical powers to reinforce her trust in him.

Buffy: "That was funny."
Angel, totally deadpan: "I'm a funny guy."

Absolute favorite line, though was Buffy to Joyce: "You had sex with Giles? On the hood of a police car? Twice?" Perfect! And heh, I knew it!

It was also interesting that there were several red herrings, and that in the end the killer turned out to be the lunch lady, just as Xander joked. Is he The Ron of this series or what?

Buffy seems not to be hiding the Slayer thing too much, or at least, people don't seem to notice her physical feats.

I loved the fact that it was Angel who went after the demon and cut out his heart, and then brought it to Buffy's house in the frickin' daylight. Then fed her the goo and held her through it all. Aww. *sniff* You gotta love a guy who'll do that sort of thing for you.

Buffy's comment to Giles at the end was hilarious: "If you're not too busy having sex with my mother!" and then Giles walking right into a tree. Hee! Actually, I really like Giles/Joyce. I'd like to see more of that. Or at least read some fic about it. ;-)


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Choices:
[The mayor imprisons Willow after Buffy and Angel steal a box containing demonic energy, which the Mayor needs for his Ascension Day.]

Hee, the couple angst between Buffy and Angel at the beginning was fun. I like how they've settled into a comfortable relationship. It comforts me, especially knowing they haven't got much longer.

Ah, an episode that really moves the plot forward! The theme of choices being made was an interesting one here. Every character had to either make a choice or face a choice made, and that added some really interesting layers to the story. I was particularly impressed with how Willow's and Buffy's decisions to stay in Sunnydale for college made sense. So often TV shows come up with remarkably contrived reasons to keep people around. And UC-Sunnydale? That made me laugh. I think you have to get the California university system to know why that's funny...

The Mayor is a really interesting bad guy. I like the combination of batshit crazy, evil, and Ward Cleaver. It's really endearing. It's also interesting that Faith is looking more and more fucked up as time goes on. That girl has some serious daddy issues.

This episode seemed to be Willow's chance to shine, and that she did. Her standing up to Faith would have seemed OOC, except that in the context of this storyline, it worked. Buffy and gang's immediate decision to exchange Willow for the box seemed a bit out of the blue to me. It was almost as if they made the decision that fast just because Wesley wanted to sacrifice her, as if they were rebelling. Of course, it was important for the plot that they get her back, and that she get her hands on the Books of Ascension so that they will now have an idea of what they're up against. It seems a bit weak in the writing department, but I'm not sure how else they would've done it. They accomplished quite a lot with that single storyline.

I also found the Mayor's monologue about Buffy's and Angel's future relationship bizarre. I mean, I know this is what they need to hear to set his move to LA in motion, but did they have to hear it from the Bad Guy? And in the middle of a prisoner exchange? That seemed a bit odd.

And OMG, billions of face-sucking spiders are going to be released??? That sounds like a nightmare I had once. And Cordelia has a job, apparently because she wants to buy that dress she keep fondling. I'm betting we'll hear more about that soon.

So in short, there were LOTS of interesting things happening here, but many of them felt like a bit of a stretch, almost as if the writers were trying to do too much in a single episode. This season seems to be one episode short, so maybe that's why. It feels rushed. Hmmm.


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[9/6/06]


The Prom:
[Buffy battles three fearsome hell-hounds that another classmate has programmed to attack students during Sunnydale High's senior prom.]

Okay, since we're on the last three episodes, I was expecting tears. I even brought a box of kleenex along, because me + hormones + angst = a fucking good cry. I got one, and strangely, it felt so much better than the ones from the end of season two. Of course, I'm not done yet. *coughs*

I have lots of thoughts on this episode, and I think I'm just going to list them, more or less in chronological order.

• The couple talk at the beginning of the episode was sweet, with Buffy wanting a drawer and hinting that she could move in. Though it totally felt like we were being set up for something sad, waah.

• The whole bit with Anya asking Xander to the prom was hilarious. Even more hilarious was the fact that he said yes. And then had to endure all of her gory demon stories for the evening!

• I was totally convinced that the wedding dream was Buffy's, just as I imagine I was supposed to think. Finding out it was really Angel's dream was just as bittersweet, and that he then dreamed that he could walk into the sun and she couldn't -- it was a beautiful metaphor for his fears. Nicely done. And made me cry, oh yes!

• And then the break-up scene and the aftermath: wow, so good. So real. It reminded me of being Buffy's age and finding out that my boyfriend was moving away, and that it was basically over. And while I understood that he had to leave, my god how awful it was. When Buffy said, "this can't be real," it took me right back to being 17, I swear. And her grief with Willow -- ouch, man. Especially that she recognized in the end that he was right. Ouch.

• Giles's reaction to hearing Buffy and Angel had broken up was perfect. I love the relationship between those two. I've read a little Buffy/Giles fic, and it all kind of made me go "Ew", because I can't see him as anything other than a father figure for her. What really cemented it for me was Helpless, when she found out her dad wasn't coming to take her to the ice show and wanted Giles to take her. And he would have, under other circumstances. She needs a daddy. *sniff*

• Interesting twist for Cordelia that her family is suddenly poor. I know she's going to be on A:tS, so I guess this is part of the setup for that. I really loved the implication that Xander paid for her dress, without it being explicitly stated. That was all we needed, and it was a lovely moment as a result. It was great that he did it out of genuine affection for her, with no expectations. It seems that Xander has his moments of maturity after all.

• Cordelia/Wesley was a lot of fun to watch, especially when he first saw her and basically choked. And then when he asked Giles if he should ask her to dance, Giles was all, "Get the fuck on with it already!" The actors are probably about the same age, so the whole jailbait thing has been highly amusing.

• Where does Angel get money to buy blood and rent tuxes and stuff? I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he was homeless and living off rats. What, did he sell a book deal? He sure as hell doesn't have a job.

• The whole hellhound subplot was so "sub" that I wondered what the point was, except to delay Buffy's entrance to the prom and provide a little drama. It got resolved so quickly that I was convinced something more was going to happen. But I guess it can just be easy for Buffy sometimes, huh? And why didn't anyone wonder where a high school student got four hell-hounds? That seems a bit odd. Like something to look into. I guess they have other things on their minds...

• Buffy's classmates giving her an award was so, so sweet. I thought it brought some nice closure to the school years for the show. The other students couldn't have been so dumb as not to notice what was going on, after all. I loved the line about the class of '99 having the lowest mortality rate of any in recent memory. Heh. You'd think people would wise up and move away, you know? I guess someone has to win the Darwin award.

• When I was a senior in high school, I was dating a 25-year-old guy, and when prom time came around, he asked me about it one day. He looked really uncomfortable, and said that if I really wanted to go, he'd take me. Of course, I was so over high school at that point and the idea of going to a prom was not remotely attractive, so I laughed it off and said I wasn't interested, that I'd rather go out for an elegant dinner, then go back to his place and drink wine and have a glorious night of sex. Which is what we did, and it was great. But a little part of me regretted not going to the prom. If nothing else, I missed the chance to show off my hot 25-year-old boyfriend.

But anyway, I felt for Buffy in all of this, that she wanted that night to be perfect and then had to go alone. Of course, I knew Angel would show up. He just had to, because they had mentioned so many high school movie cliches by that point that this one just had to be in there. It had to be like all those Molly Ringwald movies, you know? And he came, and they danced, and there were tears. Oh, yes.

Now, on to the finale in two parts. *readies tissues*


~*~*~*~*~



Graduation Day:
[(1) To distract Buffy and keep her from interfering with the Mayor's ascension, Faith shoots Angel with an arrow whose poison can only be cured by the blood of a Slayer. (2) Buffy, her friends, and all the students of Sunnydale High prepare to face off against the Mayor and his hoard of vampires in a seemingly hopeless effort to save their town.] (Okay, hoard? Who writes the copy on these? Didn't anyone with a thesaurus bother to proofread the summaries? And "curing poison"? What the hell does that mean? Geez.)

I expected this one to be a tear-jerker, but it was more of a "Hell, yeah!" Interesting.

Giles out of the tweed? So very hot. My god that man can wear a sweater. Poor Amy is still a rat! And aw, Willow and Oz finally do the deed! None of the scoobies graduates from high school a virgin, how sweet.

The whole subplot with Angel was really interesting. At first, I thought the Mayor had to have set Faith up. I thought he must have known that the only cure for the poison was Slayer blood, and that he would have assumed they would come after Faith. But then he was surprised that Faith had been attacked. Or maybe his confidence in her abilities was too high? Maybe he knew they would come after her and just assumed she would win easily. I wonder if she's really gone? Even with the head injury, Slayers heal extra well, don't they? The Slayer Deathmatch was fun, though.

I had guessed that Buffy would have to sacrifice herself to save Angel early on, and though I'd hoped she'd catch Faith, when she went back to the castle alone, I assumed she'd do it. I just didn't think Angel would give in. It was interesting that they filmed it as a metaphor for sex, with the shot of his tattoo reminiscent of the sex scene back in season 2, and her legs wrapped around him, and the muffled moans and heavy breathing. There was a certain amount of eroticism to that scene that sort of caught me off guard. It also hammered home the point Angel made last episode when he said Buffy deserved a man who could make love to her. This is all he can give her, really, and it sort of cemented the end of their relationship. Handy that she could have all of her blood replaced so easily, though. I don't think that's medically possible, but considering that this is a show about vampires and demons, I'll suspend my disbelief.

The resolution of the Cordelia/Wesley storyline was hilarious. I think I wrote a scene like that in a fic once. *scratches head*

I LOVED the fact that Buffy's plan was hidden from us until it happened! That was great fun to watch unfold. When the whole graduating class stood up and stripped off their robes to reveal these medieval-ass weapons strapped to their chests, I was seriously a-squee! I was on my feet by the time Angel and whoever all he had with him rounded on the vampires from the other side. Oh, man, that was glorious! And again, there's the message of the show: strength in numbers. Like it said in that book that was mentioned, everyone had to overcome their differences and come together. Just like the Sorting Hat said in OOTP!! Isn't it cool how much overlap there is between great stories, even while they're totally different? And Giles didn't have to die, even.

The themes of coming of age and rebirth through the fire were pretty strong here, and all well-executed. Buffy quitting the influence of the Council was a great touch, and it was interesting that it came across as a reasoned decision, and not simply youthful rebellion. (Again, like Harry in HBP telling the MoM he was Dumbledore's man.) Giles supporting her was awesome, and it signaled that he sees her as a adult now. The school being destroyed was a great image of the past being completely behind them and the future being wide open -- this show is going to change, they're saying, and expect it all to be different next season. And then Angel disappears into the fog. *sigh* That moment didn't hurt me like I thought it would. I guess I was well-prepared for it after all of this.

Was that the longest frickin' eclipse ever, or what? Again, I can suspend my disbelief, but still. You know?

~*~*~*~*~


Ah, season three, how I adored you. I'm sorry it's over. I think this was my favorite season of the three I've watched so far. There was just so much character development and world-building in it. The characters really grew up, which was fantastic. I'm now torn between watching DVD extras and going on to season 4...

From here on out, I'm going to be watching episodes of Angel at the same time, so I'll be posting about season 4 of Buffy and season 1 of Angel together, at least as long as it makes sense to do so.

Date: 2006-09-07 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hominysnark.livejournal.com
I love reading these--it's like seeing them for the first time all over again.

Date: 2006-09-07 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
That's good to know. ;-)

Date: 2006-09-07 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perseph.livejournal.com
Oh, the memories. I miss Buffy a lot.

Back in the day we had to wait months after seeing Graduation Part I before they aired part II. They had been scheduled to run one right after another, as would make sense. But then the Columbine massacre happened, and they decided (rightly so) that it would be insensitive and disrespectful to show a episodes dealing violence in a school right after that, so Earshot and Graduation Part II were not shown until the next fall.

Date: 2006-09-07 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Eek! They said something about that on one of the special features, but it didn't make sense to me at the time. So they didn't air those episodes in the proper sequence? And you had to wait months to find out how it ended? That's horrible! Understandable, but still. :-P

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Date: 2006-09-09 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterdemon.livejournal.com
I remember folks being very understanding about Earshot (it was really only a few days after Columbine, eerily enough), but not so much about Graduation Day (including myself): a significant amount of time had passed since the tragedy, certainly enough that the delay didn't make it any better or worse to show it when they did. And the violence that occurs in GD was not of the same sort as Earshot and not of the upsetting similarity to Columbine. Violence occurs at Sunnydale High pretty much all the time, and the kids were protecting themselves and their school, not being victimized, so I did think it was kind of unreasonable.

But they did air it in Canada before they pulled it (it was a very last-minute decision), so some resourceful fans were able to get their hands on it anyway. ;) I had a friend send me a copy and had a little Buffy finale party with my girlfriends.

Date: 2006-09-07 04:42 am (UTC)
ambersnake: (elfquest)
From: [personal profile] ambersnake
Aww, don't be too hard on Xander. He really does mature over time, though he never gets perfect. As characters in this show are wont to do.

UC Sunnydale made me smile, too. Not because I know a thing about California's education system, but because it's in Sunnydale. Sunnydale is supposed to be this little town, yet they have a harbour, bus and railway stations, an airport, and a university. Wish my town was that kind of small :P

Date: 2006-09-07 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Actually, I love the fact that all of the characters are flwed, and that those flaws are consistently displayed. It makes the characters so much more realistic! I knew guys very much like Xander (only they weren't nearly as cute or witty), and they could always be counted on to be obnoxious. Yet, they were endearing.

Yes, Sunnydale is funny that way! But I guess the fact that it's in California makes all of that seem remotely plausible. There are teensy towns in northern CA that are remarkably cosmopolitan. ;-)

Date: 2006-09-07 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] soramame-kun.livejournal.com
http://community.livejournal.com/harry_draco/1281194.html

Your're on my shelf always, darlin!

Date: 2006-09-07 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Hee! That's so awesome!

Date: 2006-09-07 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] letmypidgeonsgo.livejournal.com
Hey, Xander was Ron even before Ron was Ron! ;) I think, in all fairness, you should've been forced to wait a few months to see Earshot like the rest of us did (and a month between Grad Day pts. 1 & 2, too!). It's one of my favourite episodes (I even have an audio file of Buffy's "you had sex with Giles?!" bit), and in retrospect I can't believe how long we had to wait for it.

Oh god, I had almost forgotten about the Class Protector moment! That's another major tearjerker for me. Perhaps I should ready my tissues...

Oh god again, the graduation scene, where everyone stands up together, is another one that gets me every time ::weeps:: Actually, I often imagine HP ending sort of like this, with everyone standing at Harry's side

I'd go with the s3 extras over s4 (which is, to many, majorly underwhelming)...Angel s1, though, is great!


Date: 2006-09-07 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
It's probably just because I'm such a big HP fan, but I see so many parallels between these two stories. It's hard not to think of Buffy as the Harry, Willow as the Hermione, Xander as the Ron, and so on. And yes, I see that as being important in the end of HP too. There's a bit of Dumbledore's Army in all of this.

I've heard people say that s4 is one of their least favorites. I may start it tonight. We'll see!

Date: 2006-09-07 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-secret-side.livejournal.com

you make me want to run to my dvd player!

Date: 2006-09-07 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Run, run! ;-)

Date: 2006-09-07 10:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaalee.livejournal.com
I'm impressed that you can watch these so fast! I can barely get to one episode a night. *wibble* I'm nearly right on track with you, as we just started season 4.

Maybe I should have a marathon session this weekend. :)

Date: 2006-09-07 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
This is me being obsessive! :-P

I've been watching two episodes a night, after MDH goes to bed. I've been losing some sleep, though, and had to take last weekend off. And he's ut of town right now, which means I can start watching them earlier. Wow, I've caught up with you?

Date: 2006-09-07 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dorrie6.livejournal.com
Oh, yay!!

That and the fact that she's working for the Mayor just for good stuff like apartments. I guess I never really thought she was that shallow. Guess I was wrong.

I think this is not true. I don't think she's working for the Mayor to get that stuff. I think she's working for the Mayor because she feels irrevocably alienated from the "white hats" and what they stand for, and it's just a surprising bonus for her that she gets stuff. She likes it, because nobody has ever paid that kind of attention to her before, but it isn't what brought her there in the first place.

I love the relationship between the Mayor and Faith, and it makes them the best and most poignant villains the show ever had, in my opinion. The Mayor so obviously really grows to care about Faith, and Faith so obviously needs that--it's just really beautiful and broken and awful all wrapped up together.

And does "pure happiness" mean sex with someone he really loves, or what? It seems like it, but that's a bit too hokey. Does that mean he could have sex with someone he doesn't like and it would be okay?

I think everyone was wondering this stuff at the time, so you're not alone. :) There will be more information about this eventually, but you have a while to wait.

I also found the Mayor's monologue about Buffy's and Angel's future relationship bizarre. I mean, I know this is what they need to hear to set his move to LA in motion, but did they have to hear it from the Bad Guy? And in the middle of a prisoner exchange? That seemed a bit odd.

I always liked that, actually. I think because I felt that the Mayor really found the little soap operas of the Scoobies to be genuinely amusing, and also because he always knew what to say to really twist the knife. He was a man with focus.

Side note: one of my favorite moments of that episode was and always will be Oz pushing over... uh, whatever it was he pushed over to make his point when everyone was fighting over whether to make the trade for Willow. I loved that moment because it was a rare demonstration of violent emotion for Oz, and it really rang true for me.

So in short, there were LOTS of interesting things happening here, but many of them felt like a bit of a stretch, almost as if the writers were trying to do too much in a single episode. This season seems to be one episode short, so maybe that's why. It feels rushed. Hmmm.

I didn't feel that way at the time, but maybe by that point in the season when we were just chomping at the bit for every episode as it came, we viewers were pretty anxious to rush. :)

Okay, since we're on the last three episodes, I was expecting tears. I even brought a box of kleenex along, because me + hormones + angst = a fucking good cry. I got one, and strangely, it felt so much better than the ones from the end of season two.

I had this too. And of course, I still cry when I watch, and it's another instance where I tear up even thinking about it. The "class protector" award really touched me. Like, more than really makes sense. And maybe it was predictable that Angel would show up at the prom, but that didn't make it any less glorious and bittersweet when he did.

Graduation day: "Fire bad, tree pretty." That pretty much sums up my frame of mind when I got to the end of that. :)

I LOVED season 3. And it is possibly still my favorite season overall, though there is so much to love in the seasons to come. I'll be interested to see how season 4 grabs you. I think it gets a slow start, and there are things about it that I didn't like as much as previous seasons, but there is so much to love there. In fact, the very last episode of the season is possibly my all-time favorite (though it has some stiff competition). I'm so interested to see how this runs for you, especially watching it rapidly like you are. Looking forward to reading your thoughts! New places, new characters--there's a lot going on!

Date: 2006-09-07 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I think this is not true. I don't think she's working for the Mayor to get that stuff.

Yes, that does become clear as the episodes go on. That was my reaction at the time I saw that episode, but later it wasn't. And by later, hah, I mean two days later. :-P

the Mayor really found the little soap operas of the Scoobies to be genuinely amusing, and also because he always knew what to say to really twist the knife.

If you take his character as a whole, I can see that. In the moment, though, it felt really strange to me, and it pulled me out of the story enough to make me wonder what the writers were trying to accomplish there.

one of my favorite moments of that episode was and always will be Oz pushing over... uh, whatever it was he pushed over to make his point when everyone was fighting over whether to make the trade for Willow.

Yes, it was the pedestal with the cauldron on it, which contained the ingredients to do the containment spell on the box. That was an interesting moment for me too, because it seemed that they were all united against Wesley there. It seemed bizarre to me that at that moment, getting Willow back was more important than stopping the Ascension. They seem to operate one day at a time, even one moment at a time, without really worrying about the next one until they have to. That's really realistic for teenagers, and it also seems to work for them.

The "class protector" award really touched me. Like, more than really makes sense.

It surprised me that Joss let her have that moment of happy acceptance, because it sort of skews the whole "high school is hell" thing. But I like it! It clearly meant a lot to Buffy, and I thought it was a great touch.

And maybe it was predictable that Angel would show up at the prom, but that didn't make it any less glorious and bittersweet when he did.

Yes! It almost made it more bittersweet, as if he was still trying to be what she wanted and needed, despite himself. It showed how much he really cares about her. *sniff*

Lots of people have said they didn't like season 4 so much, but I wonder if it will be different for me because I'm watching them so quickly?

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Date: 2006-09-07 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelsotherlove.livejournal.com
I have to admit that by far season three has the most tear jerking scenes in it when looking back on all three seasons. But let me warn you now, its not over. I suggest going out and buying the biggest box of kleenex's that you can find once you hit season five. I think I spent most of that season crying. There were only like one or two episodes where my eyes didn't look like twin rushing rivers flowing down my face.

But alas that is just my opinion. I don't really remember much from season four so I look forward to reading your summaries. Might clue me in on what I missed, or what I think I missed.

Date: 2006-09-07 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Oooh, many tears ahead, huh? Interesting!

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Date: 2006-09-07 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vichan.livejournal.com
Yay, more Buffy-age! And I got my super-duper box set collection yesterday (YEEEEE), so this is just even more exciting.

Earshot - I shouldn't even get into this, but I need to. I don't have a lot to say about the actual episode, but this one brings up some pretty signifcant memories. I was a sophomore in high school when this was first set to air. If memory serves me right, it was originally supposed to air April 27, 1999. If you remember the dates, one week earlier, April 20th, was the day of the Columbine shootings.

Yeah. Something incredibly emotional had happened (we all remember it), and me, being a sophomore in high school and considered one of the 'outcasts,' had been treated like a criminal on top of it. I got pulled down to the office more than once, and instead of the counselors asking if I was okay or if I needed to talk about what had happened at a high school almost identical to ours, I was asked if I had ever brought weapons to school.

Needless to say, there was a notice on TV that the new episode of Buffy would not be shown due to content that could be considered emotional, and they showed a rerun instead. I was scared from what had happened, I was pissed at the way I was getting treated at school, and then they take my Buffy away?! Why didn't they just take away ALL my rights? (This was a typical high school mindset, I remind you.)

'Earshot' was then never going to get shown. (I think Graduation Day, Part II was also delayed because of the blowing up of the school...) However, it was only delayed until the following September. I totally understand why it was delayed, and I'm really glad they went back on the decision not to air it at all. When it first aired, I cried. The shootings had really hit me hard, and this episode made me feel that all again - but this time with hope. Yeah, it was stopped by a super-hero girl, but it still DID something to me. This one marked the beginning of me truly respecting this show.
(MMmmkay, done with that now.)

... Yup. I can't even get into the rest of this now. Sorry - I seriously didn't expect that to all come pouring out. I don't think I'd ever told anyone about that before. O_o

From here on out, I'm going to be watching episodes of Angel at the same time, so I'll be posting about season 4 of Buffy and season 1 of Angel together, at least as long as it makes sense to do so.
Okay, you are now in the same place as my mother!! And I'll give you the same list I gave her. It's kind of annoying to keep switching the discs back and forth - if you can deal with it, cool. If not, here's the guide.

Chronologically, the episodes happen by just switching back and forth between Buffy and Angel, Buffy always being first. But the only ones you really need to watch in order to get them in context with what was happening in the other show are these:
Season 4 of Buffy/Season 1 of Angel
Episode 3 of Buffy - The Harsh Light of Day
Episode 3 of Angel - In the Dark

Episode 7 of Angel - The Bachelor Party
Episode 8 of Buffy - Pangs
Episode 8 of Angel - I Will Remember You

Episode 15 of Buffy - This Year's Girl
Episode 16 of Buffy - Who Are You
Episode 18 of Angel - Five By Five
Episode 19 of Angel - Sanctuary

Otherwise, just watch them according to when they aired. The air dates are in the booklets, I believe. (Sometimes the episode numbers don't always coincide with each other.)

And now that I have completely wasted your time, I'm going to get back to work. :D

Date: 2006-09-07 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vichan.livejournal.com
P.S. Season 4 is this: probably weakest overall season storyline, but also holding some of the BEST episodes of the whole series. And also holding some subtext that was put there on purpose to make all the slash fans go 'SQUEEEEEE.'

Man, I love the writers.

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Date: 2006-09-07 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oceanna.livejournal.com
Hi there :)
I'm afraid I'm just misusing your latest entry to introduce me ;)
I just fell upon your story Left my Heart and really love it and I thought it would be easiest to befriend you to keep more up to date with your newest stories :)

I would have loved you to befriend me back, as it would be easier for me to read your journal via my friend's page, but since you already have almost 600 friends, I can understand that you have quiet enough by now ;)

Keep up the great work, you have a real talent there :)

Date: 2006-09-07 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Hi! Thanks so much for the lovely compliment!

I'm in a weird position for friending because more people have me friended than is possible for me to friend back. I tend to get to know people for a while before I firned them these days, because I basically have to unfriend someone to friend someone new. That's not something I want to do lightly, you know?

But if you have me friended, my journal will show up on your flist. That has nothing to do with whether or not I friend you back. :-)

Date: 2006-09-07 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arjumand.livejournal.com
Hi there; I'm a lurker and I love reading your stories - I've never commented before 'cos I really have very little to say except that I love the stories, but now that you're doing a Buffy marathon I just can't resist!
Like many others, I really envy you for being able to watch many of these for the first time, and I'm getting some more insights from your posts: not being American there are some things that I've missed while watching and it's fun to go back and rewatch, looking out for the things I missed the first time around.
I am in the minority of viewers who loved seasons four to seven as much as one to three; perhaps because I watched season 3 as an adult rather than a teenager, and a European adult at that: I didn't really get homecoming and prom and all those things. I mean I understood them intellectually but there were no real emotions involved, while the issues at stake in Season 4, the first experience at university (college?), the feeling of being lost, is something I could identify with.
Like some on this thread, I feel that while the general arc in Season 4 wasn't that great (although I'm looking forward to your take on the theme), it contains some of the best stand-alones ever, and the season ender vies with Once More With Feeling for the title of Best Episode in Series. Oh dear, I have this feeling I'm going to be watching my dvds from the beginning once more.
Ooh, last thing, about the spelling on the dvd case, to my horror in Season 6 there's a spelling mistake on the DVD menu which makes me shudder whenever I see it!
Sorry for spamming your journal; I just can't resist the Buffster!

Date: 2006-09-08 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I didn't really get homecoming and prom and all those things. I mean I understood them intellectually but there were no real emotions involved, while the issues at stake in Season 4, the first experience at university (college?), the feeling of being lost, is something I could identify with.

Oh, interesting! I haven't spent a lot of time in the fandom yet, but I wondered how popular it was outside the US for that very reason. The first three seasons are set so deeply in the American high school experience that I wondered how differently it might look to someone who wasn't familiar with that. Of course, many of those themes are pretty universal, aren't they?

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Date: 2006-09-07 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] northern-rain.livejournal.com
One question I still have after this episode is why did the Mayor send vampires after Willow?

Willow was getting into the Mayor's files and was going to find out all sorts of stuff on him, so the Mayor wanted her out of the way. Sadly enough, I didn't need to look that up or anything. I may have watched these too many times.

Didn't you just love the mayor though?

Date: 2006-09-08 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Aha! Thanks for that. :-D

The Mayor cracked me up. I was almost sorry to see him go.

Date: 2006-09-07 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zandra-x.livejournal.com
I'm here from the mention in [livejournal.com profile] su_herald.Oh, it's really exciting to watch you discover the episodes. I'll be following along.

Date: 2006-09-08 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Oh, hello then! :-)

Date: 2006-09-07 11:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stormwynd.livejournal.com
Good choice to watch Buffy season 4 and Angel season 1 concurrently -- the two are definitely complimentary. After that, it's not really necessary to do Buffy and Angel in parallel. (Did I really just type that? And does that sound as naughty as I think it does?)

I'm looking forward to reading what you think about season 4. There's a huge phase change in the series, simply because everyone's out of high school, so the "high school as hell" metaphor has to change. Season 4 takes a lot of flack from some critics, but personally, I love it.

Oh, and Xander = Ron, most definitely. I vaguely remember reading a Buffy/HP crossover in which Ron casts a spell meant to transport his "soul mate" to his side, and Xander gets plucked from Sunnydale and appears at Hogwarts. It wasn't a great story, but it definitely tried to explore the parallels between Xander's and Ron's roles as faithful sidekicks.

Date: 2006-09-08 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] londonkds.livejournal.com
Here via [livejournal.com profile] yhlee: Just to point out that Angel Season Two versus Buffy Season Five does have some subtle crossovers based around mood and actual events that only come across if you watch them in parallel. They involve the vampires.

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Date: 2006-09-08 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dustbunnies710.livejournal.com
Does that mean he could have sex with someone he doesn't like and it would be okay? What if he wanks thinking about her?
^I totally thought about that.
I was going to bring it up to you but I wanted to see if you were going to think of it too =]
I mean, if one true moment of happiness takes his soul, can he not even wank? What can he do? and I like how everyone immidietly thinks of climax when they think of one moment of true happiness.

*claps*
I'm so excited for you to see seaon four.

Date: 2006-09-08 02:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I was thinking it had to be more complicated than that, but Doyle little backstory on the first episode of Angel made it seem like it really was orgasm that did it And that makes me wonder about the gypsy curse in the first place. Did Angel know that was the deal, or did he only find out when it all went wrong back in season 2? If he did know, why did he put himself in that position? If he didn't know, it seems like a pretty dumb curse in the first place.

Date: 2006-09-08 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lusciousxander.livejournal.com
It seems that Xander has his moments of maturity after all.


Of course he has! LOL! Remember he helped Buffy save Angel in Amends? Also Graduation Part One? Go Xan-man. Wanna read a Xander/Angel fic so bad...

I've never watched Harry Potter but I heard about the Xander-Ron similarity, are they really similar? I'm sure there are differences. Xander to me is a Chandler, not only do the names sound alike, but both of the actors pronounce their "S"s in the same way: "Sh", my eyesh, yesh.. so adorable. They're also witty and have issues with their parents, especially fathers. Except that Chandler's father is *nice*, Xander's father is just awful, but that you will see later.

Date: 2006-09-08 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Coming at it from an HP perspective, I really see the parallels of Buffy=Harry, Willow=Hermione, and Xander=Ron. And of course, coming from Star Wars before that, I saw Luke=Harry, Leia=Hermione, and Han=Ron. Every 'verse needs a Trio! ;-)

Date: 2006-09-08 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maab-connor.livejournal.com
what i really loved about "Graduation Day" was Xander's part in it. yeah, Buffy was the "general" of the little war, but watch it again, Xander was the guy who got most of it together.

and yes Xander is SO VERY RON!! actually, all three of the original Scoobies can be related to the HP characters: Buffy=Harry Willow=Hermione Xander=Ron it's a formula that works.

as far as "The Prom" and the hell hounds, all i'm going to tell you is that Joss has a way of foreshadowing two or three SEASONS before he uses the material. so sometimes you're going to come across something that makes you go WTF but by the end of the series it's gonna come together... or at least make for some great fan fic! lol. i'm trying to set you at ease without spoiling, so this may not make much sense, sorry about that.

Date: 2006-09-08 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
You know, I saw the battle on Graduation Day as being a genuine group effort. Buffy laid out her plan, and then everyone had a part to play in executing it, a little bit of it that they were in charge of, and they all did their parts well. That was what made that so magical for me, that it was all of them working together who were able to defeat the Mayor, not one person who was a hero. I see that as being an important theme in HP as well.

Trios abound! You can map them all to Luke, Leia, and Han too. ;-)

Date: 2006-09-08 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jgracio.livejournal.com
There is a certain overlap between the characters of Buffy and HP, although that overlap will IMO fade in the next seasons (or maybe not, depends on the last book).

IMO, BtVS S3 is the best season. Friended you to keep track of these comments.

Date: 2006-09-08 02:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I think I automatically relate a new story to the ones I already know. I came to HP from Star Wars, so everything was compared and analyzed there, and I'm now finding it really interesting to compare Buffy and HP in the same way. I think it's because good stories have themes and elements that are easy to recognize, even if they're all put together in different ways (a la Joseph Campbell).

From what I can tell, people have really strong feelings about seasons 2, 3, and 6. I'm looking forward to seeing where the show goes from here! :-)

Date: 2006-09-08 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebekkamaria.livejournal.com
It's your fault that I'm watching the fourth season again. :) I'm really eager to read about your thoughts on it. :) Go watch!! I just watched Something Blue. LOL

Date: 2006-09-08 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
I started it last night! :-D

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