So, what do you think about Cho?
Oct. 19th, 2005 09:25 amI'm really curious what people think about Cho at this point in the story.
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If you have other thoughts, feel free to comment!
Oh, and I should say that Cho's story isn't over yet. Her plot will be resolved next week with all the other ones. :-)
[Poll #593762]
If you have other thoughts, feel free to comment!
Oh, and I should say that Cho's story isn't over yet. Her plot will be resolved next week with all the other ones. :-)
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Date: 2005-10-19 02:35 pm (UTC)And IMO, number 4 is always given.
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Date: 2005-10-19 03:24 pm (UTC)What Draco did, he should have realised that it would hurt Harry too & hence not done it. I don't feel bad for Cho at all. I really feel bad for Harry, & Draco too. Draco's such a brat. *sighs*
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Date: 2005-10-19 03:27 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-10-19 04:23 pm (UTC)Either that or she's just an insipid little twit ;)
I really wish I could pick #4... you have more plot twists than JKR does and I love you for it!
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Date: 2005-10-19 04:43 pm (UTC)But for how I see her, so far (tainted by severe canon dislike), 1.5?
I'm not capable of reading STG without remembering what a bad shape she left Harry in after their marriage, and if her behaviour later was deliberate, for revenge... or even subconsciously done out of resentment (still waiting to see whether she will remember Harry and Draco), I think what she did was worse.
What Draco did, was perhaps unfortunate, but I don't know, it's cruel, yes, but it's not a lie, it's not as if he purposefully seduced Harry for the first time in order to spite or hurt Cho. I kept talking to my screen while reading, "no, noo, walk around, let Harry see your face, not Cho, Harry has to do the job, not you, nooooo no smirking", but I think Draco was justified in doubting that Harry would be able to stand up to Cho's crying.
And, well, Harry is actually the one I blame for this whole situation. Getting to see your "boyfriend" being fucked by another man is harsh. Coming for a quiet evening and dinner in, with said boyfriend, in your mind, ready to propose, and then having him tear your heart apart by gently telling you he loves another man, but does not consider it cheating, after all he never agreed to be exclusive, is leaving you, but please, could you still be friends, friends, now that is devastatingly cruel.
So in the extent that I feel sorry for Cho, it's that she's can't, or won't, see that Harry dosen't love her, that he doesn't care, that she's been convenient but that he has invested nothing in her. She doesn't know him, partly because she's an idiot (mwahahaha!) and partly because Harry won't let her, he doesn't give a shit, why do you even want to be with him, arggg? And I think she wants to be with him because he's Harry Potter, and well, option no 1 thank you, die bitch.
I was going to wait till STG was finished, reread Left, digest everything, and then comment. Guess I failed. Sorry to have gone on in such length, but I love this story.
- Clara
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Date: 2005-10-19 05:01 pm (UTC)The fact that I don't trust you goes without saying, so I am prepared to revise any of these ideas next week. (But I knida doubt I'll be needing to.)
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Date: 2005-10-19 05:19 pm (UTC)Fuck her.
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Date: 2005-10-19 06:21 pm (UTC)Emma....you don't trust yourself? what is there left for us to trust!!
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Date: 2005-10-19 06:27 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-19 06:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-19 07:07 pm (UTC)Excellent chapter btw!!!
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Date: 2005-10-19 08:19 pm (UTC)Basically I think just like in RL, everyone played their part to much to assign blame to one person. Your stories are very realistic like that. I love ya for it. :D
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Date: 2005-10-19 08:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-20 01:18 am (UTC)I knew, the second he did it, that it would cause problems. He had his own doubts, too. And he had the valid point that, considering Harry's history, if Harry had simply tried to break up with her, he would have buckled at her discomfort. (Or maybe not, since he's expecting to die.) The morals behind what Draco did are actually not very favorable... he lied to for his own amusement (and out of jealousy), didn't tell Harry about what he'd done, and then didn't listen to his conscience when it squeaked at him. More than anything, Harry's probably upset and disappointed with Draco because he didn't fess up -before- there was a problem. If Draco's behavior pattern is extrapolated out, in that he will behave this same way in most situations, I can see Harry's grounds for chucking him out. But I think he's not giving Draco enough credit to decide when something will really harm Harry. Harry just needs to lay out some ground rules about any future mischievous antics.
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Date: 2005-10-20 02:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-20 06:37 am (UTC)LOL. :D I'm happy to please. You're doing an amazing job of entertaining me and hundreds of other people. 'Tis the least I can do.
The best stories, IMO, are the ones where readers can treat the characters as real. If I'm successful at treating them as such, you've done a bang-up job of writing them as real people.
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Date: 2005-10-20 03:27 am (UTC)I was tempted to feel sorry for Cho, her being so naive. But when you think about it, she's not naive, she's self-absorbed. She's so focused on herself that she's missing clues that any person with half a brain should have caught. This is the one thing she didn't see coming but it really is her own damn fault.
If anything, her reaction surprises me. I would have expected some more screaming and "Woe is me." But we do know how calculating she is so I wouldn't doubt she was planning her revenge the minute she took that first breath of aftershock.
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Date: 2005-10-20 06:51 am (UTC)Aside from that though taking a look at the poll about Cho I'm actually kind of surprised I guess about how much Cho is hated. It's understandable considering what we have already seen of her personality but also because we all want Harry and Draco to just be together.
Think about it, Cho was completely oblivious to the situation, and to Harry's true feelings. She thought they were about to be engaged. This Cho written now is happier, less bitter and mean than the one we readers have become accustomed to. I know was COMPLETELY shocked to find Harry not just cheating on her but with a man. I know this is the past but it's hard to see her without remebering the way she's been acting throughout the story. She isn't my favorite character but... with what I know now about Draco's plan for her to walk in on him and Harry I just can't help but have more sympathy for her. Not too much but enough.
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Date: 2005-10-20 04:23 pm (UTC)I also do believe that this is the first time I've commented on one of your stories. ^_^ LMH is my all time favorite H/D story and I was thrilled beyond belief when I found out you were writing a sequel. I actually did some fan art for LMH, oh, years ago, but I never got around to doing anything with it. Anyway, love this. I'll be sorry to see it end.
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Date: 2005-10-20 04:35 pm (UTC)I totally agree. But I don't think Cho is stupid so I think there is much more to her story that we don't have an inkling of. If that was it, I would feel sorry for her too, but I just think there is going to be so much more. Or maybe not. We will know next week!
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Date: 2005-10-20 04:34 pm (UTC)You are going to give us a twist. I just know it.
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Date: 2005-10-20 09:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-20 10:27 pm (UTC)Then lo and behold, Harry and Draco lose their memories, Cho marries Harry because she's "pregnant" and then loses the baby... Seems a little more than conincidence.
Of course, it could be anything. And I do feel a tidge bit of sympathy for her now. Because Draco was being a brat about it all. (And Harry tends towards the oblivious ass category.)
Haven't commented before because I'm not much of a slasher, and especially not much into HP (I read this, and I read it for you because your writing drew me in until I couldn't escape). But LMH and this story, they just blow me away.
I'm addicted to a fandom and pairing I wouldn't normally follow, just for you. :) How's that for loving your writing. And it's so realistic and in character, that I can't even beg indifference. LMH + STG = mediesinlove
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Date: 2005-10-20 11:49 pm (UTC)Probably not what you wanted to hear, but there it is.
C. Dumbledore
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Date: 2005-10-21 03:17 pm (UTC)*insert witty, insightful and useful praise here, including references and any possible typos (so the praise is also helpful,) without excessive use of punctuation, meaningless three letter 'sounds' and love-huggles*
I'm not good with feedback, obviously. Needless to say, I am continually surprised by the level of plottyness (what do you mean, it's not a word?) and humour displayed throughout your writing. You have given us all such an amazing gift - not one D/H story, but three two different 'how their relationship begins' plus a reasonable and believable established couple (Which I admit to hardly ever reading) - and even included 'Harry cooks dinner 4 Draco...n stuff lol!!!1!1 hint hint' that was good.
As to actually answering the question posed, I feel a mixture of the first two - without the 'meep' about what Draco did. I mean, let's face it, we're talking about Draco here - I certainly wouldn't put it above him and I do agree with the number of people (including Draco) who believe Harry would have caved anyway.
I want to comment on some of the replies this post has produced though. A large number of people have expressed outrage at Cho going on to take advantage of poor memory confuddled Harry. From my own reading (and apologies if this has already been addressed or I've misread the signs), I got the impression that she wasn't aware of matters either - perhaps she was also memory-charmed? Tonks (I think) mentions her getting promoted to Black Hole (was it?) Unmentionable (err, is that right? Where's my HP dictionary when I need it?) about six months back (from present time). I don't remember the time line, and I'm too exhausted to check (remember the 'all day, literally,' comment) but maybe that's when she finds out? Might also tie into when she cheats on Harry?
Or, you know, I could be barking.
ETA: So I lied, I had to go back and check... and in LMH Chapter one, Harry mentions that they broke up six months back. Which would fit the time frame.
Also mentions that Dumbledore was the one who 'payed dearly for it', in relation to the 'end' of LV, so now I'm really intrigued :)
Anyway, after sleep, I will have to re-read LMH (I couldn't before reading STG because after waiting so long as it was, I was just too impatient!) which will hopefully tide me over til Wednesday when the end comes! (Am so, so, glad I did not read this chapter by chapter because I think I would have burst an artery or something in anticipation!)
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Date: 2005-10-21 03:26 pm (UTC)*turns red*
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Date: 2005-10-27 10:57 am (UTC)YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
One day, many months ago, I read LMH in one go. Then I saw a reference to a sequel.
"Yay!" says I, and dives straight in, eager to see how this all wraps up, too eager to notice the giant flashy neon WIP warnings.
"AHG!" says I at chapter six, screeching to a halt like the roadrunner at the lip of this sudden crevasse where the road I'm speeding along turns out to be seriously under construction.
"Meep Meep" says I, impotently squeeking, waiting for better news...
Eee! It's almost finished! *happybouncejoyyay*
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Date: 2005-10-23 04:22 pm (UTC)I don't even feel sorry for her. What Draco did was wrong, but he couldn't have done it to a more deserving person. She is no innocent in this situation, and she's delusional to boot. Like my ma says, if you have to work that hard in the relationship, he's just not that into you.
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Date: 2005-10-27 07:40 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-27 10:43 am (UTC)..but as it stands, I just can't see Cho getting out of it with dignity.
Unless it's Imperius, I suppose. But this is Emma, if there's Imperius at all it's going to be way cooler than the deus ex machina "it was all a dream" fix-all cure-all it gets used as too often.