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I'm really curious what people think about Cho at this point in the story.

[Poll #593762]

If you have other thoughts, feel free to comment!

Oh, and I should say that Cho's story isn't over yet. Her plot will be resolved next week with all the other ones. :-)

Date: 2005-10-19 02:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shantalanadevil.livejournal.com
Well, number 1,2 and 4? A little bit of those three. She is in a way a really mean bitch, especially in the present (for the story) time. I kind of feel sorry for her, but not to the point that I understand her motives for behaving the way she does. And marrying Harry after knowing he was with Draco? I feel even less for her. At least less good things.

And IMO, number 4 is always given.

Date: 2005-10-19 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elizabeth-rice.livejournal.com
I voted for the first choice. If what Cho did to Harry & to Draco was her revenge, I really dislike her for that.

What Draco did, he should have realised that it would hurt Harry too & hence not done it. I don't feel bad for Cho at all. I really feel bad for Harry, & Draco too. Draco's such a brat. *sighs*

Date: 2005-10-19 03:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oconel
If her idea of revenge is getting married to Harry (who doesn't remember a thing) and then to cheat on him... I won't feel sorry for her.

Date: 2005-10-19 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carvedwood.livejournal.com
I don't trust you, you've come up with all sorts of plot twists so far that have ruined my expectations of what's going to happen. But if she did get revenge for what Draco did, and what she could be excused for thinking that Harry did, then I can't blame her. I can't like Draco for being a scheming, vengeful person in love, and yet hate that same quality in another character, and I also can't say I wouldn't have done something like it if I were in her place, so... *shrug*. I don't know what to think yet.

Date: 2005-10-19 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wook77.livejournal.com
I'm still suspicious of Cho. You mention that Draco didn't notice Harry sending an owl to her that morning... I'd like to think it was for a reason. She knows stuff she shouldn't. Part of the job, maybe, but I don't trust her at all. IMHO, she's working for Voldemort and is trying to capture Harry. She's overly dramatic (I admit, she's that way in the books too) but she's really acting WAY too innocent for me. Cho can't be that stupid and clueless and still do what she does.

Either that or she's just an insipid little twit ;)

I really wish I could pick #4... you have more plot twists than JKR does and I love you for it!

Cho

Date: 2005-10-19 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
As for her role within STG and what may come in part 30: option no 4, all the way. ;D

But for how I see her, so far (tainted by severe canon dislike), 1.5?


I'm not capable of reading STG without remembering what a bad shape she left Harry in after their marriage, and if her behaviour later was deliberate, for revenge... or even subconsciously done out of resentment (still waiting to see whether she will remember Harry and Draco), I think what she did was worse.

What Draco did, was perhaps unfortunate, but I don't know, it's cruel, yes, but it's not a lie, it's not as if he purposefully seduced Harry for the first time in order to spite or hurt Cho. I kept talking to my screen while reading, "no, noo, walk around, let Harry see your face, not Cho, Harry has to do the job, not you, nooooo no smirking", but I think Draco was justified in doubting that Harry would be able to stand up to Cho's crying.

And, well, Harry is actually the one I blame for this whole situation. Getting to see your "boyfriend" being fucked by another man is harsh. Coming for a quiet evening and dinner in, with said boyfriend, in your mind, ready to propose, and then having him tear your heart apart by gently telling you he loves another man, but does not consider it cheating, after all he never agreed to be exclusive, is leaving you, but please, could you still be friends, friends, now that is devastatingly cruel.

So in the extent that I feel sorry for Cho, it's that she's can't, or won't, see that Harry dosen't love her, that he doesn't care, that she's been convenient but that he has invested nothing in her. She doesn't know him, partly because she's an idiot (mwahahaha!) and partly because Harry won't let her, he doesn't give a shit, why do you even want to be with him, arggg? And I think she wants to be with him because he's Harry Potter, and well, option no 1 thank you, die bitch.


I was going to wait till STG was finished, reread Left, digest everything, and then comment. Guess I failed. Sorry to have gone on in such length, but I love this story.

- Clara

Date: 2005-10-19 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazelhawthorne.livejournal.com
if these were ticky boxes, I would have clicked 1, 2, and 4. But in a radio button poll, I had to go with 1. I may be feeling a slight bit of sympathy for her at this point, but she is still a rotten, selfish, annoying bitch who married Harry even after all of this (under what I suspect were false pretenses) and then allowed him to catch her cheating on him. I'm basing alot of my feelings on the belief that Cho did not loose her memories of this time, has not been affected by the smothering spell and that everything she did in her marriage to Harry was done with deliberate intent to keep himin the dark.
The fact that I don't trust you goes without saying, so I am prepared to revise any of these ideas next week. (But I knida doubt I'll be needing to.)

Date: 2005-10-19 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesptwd.livejournal.com
My choice is: I feel sorry for her, but not so much that I like her now. Draco--no matter how wrong or mean--is still far more important to me.

Fuck her.

Date: 2005-10-19 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winstonmom.livejournal.com
I checked if you had taken the poll and
Emma....you don't trust yourself? what is there left for us to trust!!

Date: 2005-10-19 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
LOL! Unfortunately, you have to take your own polls in order to see the results on the post. I know how this all turns out, and I didn't want to give anything away. So I clicked "not sure". ;-)

Date: 2005-10-19 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiona-fawkes.livejournal.com
A cross between one and two. It sucks that she was so oblivious with Harry, but really, I was dying of laughter that she's walks in on those two in the same situation AGAIN, even after they'd been memory charmed. She totally effed up Harry's personal life. And THEN, even after knowing that he's into men, she still gets him to marry her. B!tch, b!tch b!tch, b!tch, b!tch.

Date: 2005-10-19 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prestonsbarr.livejournal.com
Many people have said before what I think.. I feel bad because she has every right to be hurt by Draco's stunt, but she seriously should think these things through even when Harry's two best friends were not liking her. I hate her for what she does after the attack. She benefits from Harry not remembering and manipulates the situation to keep Harry eventhough he didn't choose her. I can see why she hates Draco through the story now, but the girl is too desperate for my tastes.


Excellent chapter btw!!!

Date: 2005-10-19 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] araythea.livejournal.com
I picked #2 for now. I think everyone kinda fucked up. I mean, Draco with his plan, Harry and cheating and not telling Draco or Cho in the first place, and though Cho hasn't made any current mistakes, I remember to clearly how it ended up. I still have some wild specualation about her.

Basically I think just like in RL, everyone played their part to much to assign blame to one person. Your stories are very realistic like that. I love ya for it. :D

Date: 2005-10-19 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waterlilith.livejournal.com
Hmm. At this point she hardly deserved what she got. Can't quite feel sorry for her either because she acts so foolish (as though the boys didn't, well..). And knowing how she is going to turn out to be after this... Whatever motivates her actions concerning Harry, it delights me how she is going to end up in the same situation, no matter what she does. There is her lesson. She can't keep them apart, can she? Love finds it's way. I trust you, Emma.

Date: 2005-10-20 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-is-blue.livejournal.com
(voted for "complete bitch" ... Cho's actions in later years clearly put her into the "Bitch" category in my mind. Here, she's just stupid, self-absorbed, and naive enough to think that someone, with all of Harry's pressures and peculiarities, would respond in the 'typical' manner. And while stupid people, it seems, are in no short supply in either the Muggle or the Wizarding Worlds... I reserve the right to dislike them based upon their stupidity. I vaguely feel sorry for her, but not much though, and I don't think what Draco did was all too horrible.

I knew, the second he did it, that it would cause problems. He had his own doubts, too. And he had the valid point that, considering Harry's history, if Harry had simply tried to break up with her, he would have buckled at her discomfort. (Or maybe not, since he's expecting to die.) The morals behind what Draco did are actually not very favorable... he lied to for his own amusement (and out of jealousy), didn't tell Harry about what he'd done, and then didn't listen to his conscience when it squeaked at him. More than anything, Harry's probably upset and disappointed with Draco because he didn't fess up -before- there was a problem. If Draco's behavior pattern is extrapolated out, in that he will behave this same way in most situations, I can see Harry's grounds for chucking him out. But I think he's not giving Draco enough credit to decide when something will really harm Harry. Harry just needs to lay out some ground rules about any future mischievous antics.

Date: 2005-10-20 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emmagrant01.livejournal.com
Can I just say that I love the fact that you're analyzing this as if it were a real relationship? This reads like the relationship column in a magazine, and that's so, so cool! :-D

Date: 2005-10-20 06:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-is-blue.livejournal.com
*fangirls* *blinks* *sniffs* *hysterical hyperventillating* You mean, they're not real??? *rapid gasping* *faints*

LOL. :D I'm happy to please. You're doing an amazing job of entertaining me and hundreds of other people. 'Tis the least I can do.

The best stories, IMO, are the ones where readers can treat the characters as real. If I'm successful at treating them as such, you've done a bang-up job of writing them as real people.

Date: 2005-10-20 03:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanna-souzou.livejournal.com
I'm not gonna bother to post my own thoughts because you said exactly what I was thinking, and you said it well.

I was tempted to feel sorry for Cho, her being so naive. But when you think about it, she's not naive, she's self-absorbed. She's so focused on herself that she's missing clues that any person with half a brain should have caught. This is the one thing she didn't see coming but it really is her own damn fault.

If anything, her reaction surprises me. I would have expected some more screaming and "Woe is me." But we do know how calculating she is so I wouldn't doubt she was planning her revenge the minute she took that first breath of aftershock.

Date: 2005-10-20 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bebe-jinx.livejournal.com
So I'm more of a lurker but your wonderful story is almost ending and I have never written about how you basically turned me into a slasher with LMH, I guess now would be the perfect time. I will admit that when I woke up this morning I did check to see if you updated yet. And when you finally did (I was a couple hours early) I was so excited. I can't wait to see how everything will end, ack! Wednesday is too far away!

Aside from that though taking a look at the poll about Cho I'm actually kind of surprised I guess about how much Cho is hated. It's understandable considering what we have already seen of her personality but also because we all want Harry and Draco to just be together.

Think about it, Cho was completely oblivious to the situation, and to Harry's true feelings. She thought they were about to be engaged. This Cho written now is happier, less bitter and mean than the one we readers have become accustomed to. I know was COMPLETELY shocked to find Harry not just cheating on her but with a man. I know this is the past but it's hard to see her without remebering the way she's been acting throughout the story. She isn't my favorite character but... with what I know now about Draco's plan for her to walk in on him and Harry I just can't help but have more sympathy for her. Not too much but enough.

Date: 2005-10-20 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clayangel.livejournal.com
I think I would feel bad for her if she didn't take Harry's memory loss and use it into tricking him into marrying her despite the fact he obviously wanted nothing more to do with her in a romantic sense. But I still feel as though we're missing pieces of the puzzle, so I'm hesitant to make any concrete decisions.

I also do believe that this is the first time I've commented on one of your stories. ^_^ LMH is my all time favorite H/D story and I was thrilled beyond belief when I found out you were writing a sequel. I actually did some fan art for LMH, oh, years ago, but I never got around to doing anything with it. Anyway, love this. I'll be sorry to see it end.

Date: 2005-10-20 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winnett.livejournal.com
I think I would feel bad for her if she didn't take Harry's memory loss and use it into tricking him into marrying her despite the fact he obviously wanted nothing more to do with her in a romantic sense.

I totally agree. But I don't think Cho is stupid so I think there is much more to her story that we don't have an inkling of. If that was it, I would feel sorry for her too, but I just think there is going to be so much more. Or maybe not. We will know next week!

Date: 2005-10-20 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winnett.livejournal.com
I understand why she hates Draco, but why she still married a guy she knew didn't want her, now that wasn't too bright. I think there is more here. I want to know if what she does next, what drives her to even greater hights of bitchyness.

You are going to give us a twist. I just know it.

Date: 2005-10-20 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oboros.livejournal.com
i think last chapter is what snapped her mind. I've always felt she was responsible for Ron's death. In thinking about LMH and STG... Ron flat out tells Draco to subterfuge Cho/Harry's relationship. Did Ron ever share with Hermonie the relationship blooming between Harry/Draco? It doesn't appear so. So - Ron must be out of the way for Cho to continue her relationship with Harry once this is all over. Plus there has to be some sort of sub-consious as to why the boys like the the 'other way around' in LMH than in STG.. Looking forward to the rest of this!

Date: 2005-10-20 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] goddessdel.livejournal.com
I gotta say, still going with option 1 because Cho did drop that little comment to Draco about, if they got married to quickly, people would think she was pregnant.

Then lo and behold, Harry and Draco lose their memories, Cho marries Harry because she's "pregnant" and then loses the baby... Seems a little more than conincidence.


Of course, it could be anything. And I do feel a tidge bit of sympathy for her now. Because Draco was being a brat about it all. (And Harry tends towards the oblivious ass category.)


Haven't commented before because I'm not much of a slasher, and especially not much into HP (I read this, and I read it for you because your writing drew me in until I couldn't escape). But LMH and this story, they just blow me away.

I'm addicted to a fandom and pairing I wouldn't normally follow, just for you. :) How's that for loving your writing. And it's so realistic and in character, that I can't even beg indifference. LMH + STG = mediesinlove

Cho?

Date: 2005-10-20 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Cho who? Oh, Cho... I think she killed Ron. I've always thought she killed Ron. I don't like what Draco did. And though I'm a D/H shipper through and through I wouldn't blame Harry if after all this is over he decided Colin Creevey wasn't so bad after all.
Probably not what you wanted to hear, but there it is.

C. Dumbledore

Date: 2005-10-21 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pufftmg.livejournal.com
So I just sat down and spent the whole day (literally) reading this, after deliberately ignoring any mention of this story ever since hearing LMH would have a sequel and (possibly) reading a cookie of it (though I may have imagined this).

*insert witty, insightful and useful praise here, including references and any possible typos (so the praise is also helpful,) without excessive use of punctuation, meaningless three letter 'sounds' and love-huggles*

I'm not good with feedback, obviously. Needless to say, I am continually surprised by the level of plottyness (what do you mean, it's not a word?) and humour displayed throughout your writing. You have given us all such an amazing gift - not one D/H story, but three two different 'how their relationship begins' plus a reasonable and believable established couple (Which I admit to hardly ever reading) - and even included 'Harry cooks dinner 4 Draco...n stuff lol!!!1!1 hint hint' that was good.

As to actually answering the question posed, I feel a mixture of the first two - without the 'meep' about what Draco did. I mean, let's face it, we're talking about Draco here - I certainly wouldn't put it above him and I do agree with the number of people (including Draco) who believe Harry would have caved anyway.

I want to comment on some of the replies this post has produced though. A large number of people have expressed outrage at Cho going on to take advantage of poor memory confuddled Harry. From my own reading (and apologies if this has already been addressed or I've misread the signs), I got the impression that she wasn't aware of matters either - perhaps she was also memory-charmed? Tonks (I think) mentions her getting promoted to Black Hole (was it?) Unmentionable (err, is that right? Where's my HP dictionary when I need it?) about six months back (from present time). I don't remember the time line, and I'm too exhausted to check (remember the 'all day, literally,' comment) but maybe that's when she finds out? Might also tie into when she cheats on Harry?

Or, you know, I could be barking.

ETA: So I lied, I had to go back and check... and in LMH Chapter one, Harry mentions that they broke up six months back. Which would fit the time frame.

Also mentions that Dumbledore was the one who 'payed dearly for it', in relation to the 'end' of LV, so now I'm really intrigued :)

Anyway, after sleep, I will have to re-read LMH (I couldn't before reading STG because after waiting so long as it was, I was just too impatient!) which will hopefully tide me over til Wednesday when the end comes! (Am so, so, glad I did not read this chapter by chapter because I think I would have burst an artery or something in anticipation!)

Date: 2005-10-21 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pufftmg.livejournal.com
so terribly embarrassed by that 'payed' - really shouldn't do a spell-check fast...

*turns red*

Date: 2005-10-27 10:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] semperintheatro.livejournal.com
Am so, so, glad I did not read this chapter by chapter because I think I would have burst an artery or something in anticipation!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

One day, many months ago, I read LMH in one go. Then I saw a reference to a sequel.

"Yay!" says I, and dives straight in, eager to see how this all wraps up, too eager to notice the giant flashy neon WIP warnings.

"AHG!" says I at chapter six, screeching to a halt like the roadrunner at the lip of this sudden crevasse where the road I'm speeding along turns out to be seriously under construction.

"Meep Meep" says I, impotently squeeking, waiting for better news...


Eee! It's almost finished! *happybouncejoyyay*

To Quote the Title of a Fanfiction

Date: 2005-10-23 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denitta.livejournal.com
Cho Must Die a Horrible, Painful Death! (I've been waiting forever to use that :)).

I don't even feel sorry for her. What Draco did was wrong, but he couldn't have done it to a more deserving person. She is no innocent in this situation, and she's delusional to boot. Like my ma says, if you have to work that hard in the relationship, he's just not that into you.

Date: 2005-10-27 07:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
my, aren't we an evil bunch? 44+% think she deserved it... and I'm inclined to agree!

Date: 2005-10-27 10:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] semperintheatro.livejournal.com
I absoloutely don't trust Emma...

..but as it stands, I just can't see Cho getting out of it with dignity.

Unless it's Imperius, I suppose. But this is Emma, if there's Imperius at all it's going to be way cooler than the deus ex machina "it was all a dream" fix-all cure-all it gets used as too often.

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