Watching the RNC

[emmagrant01]

Did Arnold really just say "Don't be a girly man"?

*rolls eyes*

Comments

[txsybil.livejournal.com]

Yep, I heard it too. I was rolling my eyes at his attempt at saying Y'all.

[devon-may.livejournal.com]

*confused Brit stranded in Italy without a TV nearby*

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

It's probably best that you don't know.

Oooh! I love Italy! Where are you?

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I missed that part! *shudder*

[devon-may.livejournal.com]

I'm in a village called Mattinata, which is in the region of Gargano. The nearest big town to us is Foggia. Sound familiar at all?

It's beautiful - ocean, mountains, etc. But what I wouldn't give to back to England and the comfortable city life I'm used to.

[nattish.livejournal.com]

No, he said "Don't be an economic girly man." ;)

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's better. *snerk*

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

No, I don't know ythat area. have been to Milan, Florence, Sienna, Venice, Rome, Naples, Sicily...

I really love Italy! Wow, you're up late! Or is it early?

[green-key.livejournal.com]

He didn't. He didn't. Cripes, people who aren't groaning will eat that crap up. ugh.

Mocking press, please deliver.

[devon-may.livejournal.com]

It's, er, five thirty in the morning. I'm off to bed in a minute. I have a thing against sunlight. lol.

And wow. You've been to more places in Italy than I have, and I live here. Have done for two years. Heh.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

You live in Italy? I didn't know that. What do you do there?

[versinae.livejournal.com]

Clearly women and homosexuals didn't express their outrage loudly enough last time this happened. *commences screaming*

[jedirita.livejournal.com]

Did you see the Lehrer report before the convention coverage? He's not playing the "girlie man" thing straight - er, so to speak. He's joking about his image.

Actually, I was rather impressed by his speech. Except for his swipe at the UN. And of course that he's a Republican. But as a speech, I thought it was a good one, and he delivered it surprisingly well. (I did love his comment at the beginning about the guy saying he was as good a politician as he was an actor, and him taking that as an insult. And, "This is like receiving an Oscar! As if I would know.")

[nattish.livejournal.com]

I thought he was charming. Harrumph!

[spacetweenears.livejournal.com]

I SWEAR I attempted to watch the speech in the effort of fairness (and having quotes at the ready for political discussion). I couldn't do it. Arnold was driving me crazy with his complete insincerity (worse than most political speakers). I ended up watching the end of Major League on some basic cable channel.

Anyway, you'd think the "girly man" comment would have run its course by now...sooooo 1987.

[snowqueenofhoth.livejournal.com]

I feel like my friend, who's named after the city, would want me to mention this:

Siena only has one 'n'

;)

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

He frightened me, to be honest. Some of his comments made me cringe. Add to that the fact that the RNC is trying to appear like a party of diversity and tolerance, while quietly putting forward a platform full of bigotry...

Well, I'm just going to be cynical, I'm afraid. Mind, I don't think the Democrats are any different. They just don't scare me as much. :-P

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Mocking press, please deliver.

Oh, go here: http://www.capitolhillblue.com

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

I think that's what got me: he was criticized for saying this before, and he clearly doesn't give a shit that he offended people with that remark. Sums up the party, in some ways.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

No, I didn't see the Lehrer report. But what I don't understand is why he'd say that at all, knowing that it offends people? I can understand that he didn't intend it to be homophobic the first time he said it.

(He should have known, but that's another issue. The whole point of those "girly-man" comments on that 80s SNL skit were that they were homophobic. There was even one of those skits implying that Hans and Frans were actually gay, and into each other, but were covering it up by acting so macho.)

So the fact that he'd brush off that criticism and keep making those remarks, knowing the impact they have -- it's not only spiteful; it's arrogant.

[emmagrant01.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes! I keep forgetting that one, for some reason...

[jedirita.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's arrogance. It's more the naivete of a man who is as much an actor as a politician. There was a lot in his speech that was kind of self-deprecating and hamming at the same time - playing with his media image as a way to mock himself but also to connect with his "audience." (He really was *very* self-mocking in that speech, and that's how I heard the girlie man comment.) A typical politician would always be super-sensitive about "offending" people, but Arnold has himself appeared on SNL with Hans und Franz. His comment at the convention was actually inclusive in an Ah-nuld kind of way, about how he works with both the Pumped Up guys and the girlie men.

The Lehrer report on him before the convention definitely colored how I heard that comment. All this time I thought him being governor was an even bigger joke than Reagan, but the report spoke with a number of people, both democrat and republican, who have a pretty good view of him. The image I came away with is that he can be politically naive, especially with comments like that, but that he is really very bi-partisan and very sincere. He's like a throw-back to the Republicans of the 30s and 40s - fiscally conservative but socially liberal. And he also channeled $1 billion toward public schools in their new budget - something which the previous governor wouldn't do. Considering that Texas can't manage to come up with mere chump change for our schools, I have to admit that impressed me.

I'm not saying I would vote for him, but I came away with a more favorable view of him than I ever would have thought possible.

[nattish.livejournal.com]

There are few parties of diversity and tolerance; and, you're right, the Republican Party isn't one of them. But I don't see any bigotry either. Not at the Convention, at least.

I suppose I feel the same way about the Republicans as you do about the Democrats: both can be scary, but I choose the one I tolerate best. :)