BtVS Season 5; A:tS Season 2 (part 1)
Sep. 26th, 2006 10:08 amBuffy Diaries + Angel, S5/S2 Episodes 1-6
If you're new to these posts, these are basically my thoughts as I watch my way through BtVS and A:tS for the first time. Previous entries can be found here. I know some vague things that will happen in future seasons, but for the most part I'm completely clueless about where all of this is going. And I would really like to stay unspoiled, so thanks for being careful in your comments. :-)
I'm trying to watch these in order of air dates, so I'll be alternating between Buffy and Angel for the most part. Episode summaries found on the web.
Thoughts prior to watching:
BtVS: I'm excited about starting both of these new seasons. I have no idea what's going to happen in general. I have a feeling that the Buffy/Spike arc is going to get started, and I think Dawn pops up at some point, but other than that, I have no idea what to expect. A lot of folks have said this is one of their favorite seasons, so I'm excited about that. I really liked season 4 because it took the characters in so many new and interesting directions. I'm hoping that feeling will continue.
A:tS: Eeee, we get to see what's up with Darla! I'm so excited! I'm clueless as to how all of this is going to go, and at this point, I have no idea if Darla is a demon or a vampire or a human. Because of the way she was naked and shivering and disoriented when she appeared at the end of the last season, I'm going to guess they brought her out of some hellish dimension, similarly to the way Angel was brought back. And so that means she's probably exactly who she was before, an evil vampire. And she probably has an axe to grind with Angel, since he was the one who staked her.
[9/23/06]
BtVS 1: Buffy Vs. Dracula
[Buffy is shaken by the awesome power when she comes face to face with the greatest vampire of all time, Dracula. Meanwhile, Xander becomes the dark one’s emissary and leads his friends into peril.]
Wow. Seriously? Wow. That was quite a way to start the season!
It was really cool to see that Buffy is, as always, struggling with issues related to being the Slayer. It was also interesting to me that the show started off with the theme of her being restless (nice tie in to the last episode) and slaying almost for the rush of it. The beach scene was fun. "Buffy slayed the football." When did she get a tattoo?
And hee, Dracula! That was fun, especially how starstruck everyone was by him. (And he was kinda hot, I have to admit.) I loved Spike's, "Poncy bugger owes me eleven pounds." It was particularly funny that Xander was the one who was manipulated into serving him, eating bugs and everything. The "Master... bator" line seemed like a nod to Rocky Horror. And his utter fury about these things always happening to him at the end of the episode was interesting. I wonder if that means his character is about to take a turn of sorts.
The biting-as-sex metaphor was really interesting in this show. It's also interesting to me that in general, male vampires sire female vampires and female vampires sire males. I know it's not a hard-and-fast rule by any means, but it seems pretty clear that they're playing on the sexual aspect of it. (Which makes me think all sorts of fun Angel/Penn thoughts, but I digress.) So the biting scene between Dracula and Buffy here was very erotic, and not even remotely subtle about that. Even Riley's reaction to finding out about the bite mark that Buffy had been hiding like a hickey was spot-on jealousy. It was also interesting that Dracula saw the scar on Buffy's neck from where Angel bit her and seemed a bit jealous that he hadn't been the first.
The tie-in with the last line from Restless was very cool, and I'm wondering what effects there will be from Buffy drinking Dracula's blood. At that moment, it seemed to give her a bit of clarity, but I'm sort of hoping it isn't that simple, that maybe she'll wind up with a bit of a dark streak or something. It was funny that she had to stake him a couple of times, and even then it wasn't clear that he's actually dead. An unkillable vampire is a pretty cool idea. Though also scary.
I was worried at the beginning about Giles saying he was leaving. For some reason, I thought he really might go. So when Buffy told him she wanted to start training again at the end, I burst into tears. God, I love the relationship between those two, and I want to see it strengthen.
And hello, Dawn has appeared? I didn't think that would happen until later in the season, wow. I guess the explanation for that is coming in the next episode. I hope?
A:tS 1: Judgment
[Angel protects a pregnant woman being hunted down by Demons after he inadvertently slays her guardian. Meanwhile, Angel struggles with the discovery that he may not always be eternal and Darla recovers from her resurrection from Hell.]
And another fantastic season opener! The beginning sequence was perfect, with Cordelia and Wesley both interrupting things they were doing (and doing well) to answer a page from Angel, and then the three of them storming into that health club to save the day. Loved it! The scene in Cordy's apartment that followed was fun. You could really see how much the three of them have developed as a team, and the dynamic between them was great fun to watch.
It seemed pretty clear that the theme of this episode was Angel struggling to figure out how to be patient and let the future and his destiny come to him. When he went to seek it, he made a mistake that threw him off in a big way. It was interesting that the demon he accidentally killed was like himself: determined to conquer his own nature, helping people, even living underground with a lot of lit candles. And was apparently Buddhist, which I thought was an interesting touch. I like the episodes where Angel is all introspective, though. It always means he grows as a character.
I'm wondering if the pregnant woman's child will be something that becomes important later. The jousting and battle scene was interesting. Angel sure gets run through with swords a lot. Anything that leaves his clothes in shreds is fine by me, though.
I have to say that the demon karaoke bar was hilarious! It had this great Star Wars cantina feel about it, and OMG, the singing! As soon as Angel protested singing ("Three things I don't do: tan, date, and sing in public." Why wasn't dancing on that list?), I knew he'd be back up there at some point. And OMG, Barry Manilow? That was hilariously bad. I don't know if DB can sing IRL, but I think it takes talent to fake being that bad. It was also fun to see the outtakes from the singing over the credits, like they did with the dancing last season.
And we saw Darla! I hope we get to see her and Angel interact soon. *bounces*
BtVS 2: Real Me
[Buffy's slaying is hampered by sibling rivalry with Dawn, who gets kidnapped by a vampire gang led by Harmony.]
All right -- let me get this straight. Dawn has just been plunked into the Buffyverse with no explanation, as if she was here all along. And everyone remembers her as always having been around, sort of like the whole Jonathan thing. And that's just... it? I have to say that's pretty annoying. And she's a regular cast member, which means we have to see her every frickin' episode? I don't know what I expected, but I thought there'd be some sort of explanation for her appearance.
I know, I know. I should just trust that Joss knows what he's doing. I do. Really, I do. *sigh*
The entire episode seemed to be centered around establishing that Dawn is an annoying little shit, which was possibly not the best-spent hour of my life. I got hopeful when that crazy homeless guy came up to her and made a Miss Muffet reference and then told her "You don't belong here". I thought, something might come of that, but alas, no. I guess I'm going to have to be patient.
Harmony and her minions were certainly a highlight of the episode. She is really quite funny as a vampire, and Xander's and Buffy's reactions to Harmony's threats were funny. "Harmony has minions?" followed by laughter. The one vampire calling the other one "sirewhipped" for stealing her a unicorn for Harmony was funny too. Buffy dispatched all of those minions with little trouble, which was cool.
So Giles is going to buy the Magic Box and run it. Well, they do need a new place to hang out, I suppose, and this will be a good way for them to be able to get new and interesting things that will help them with the slayage. I'm glad Buffy is taking her Slayer training more seriously. The beginning scene with her and Giles training was very Empire Strikes Back.
And Dawn's line at the end was perfectly ominous: "She still thinks I'm nobody, just her dumb little sister. Boy is she in for a surprise." I don't know how much of this fighting between Buffy and Dawn I'm going to be able to take, though. I hate that shit.
A:tS 2: Are You Now or Have you Ever Been?
[In the 1950s, Angel aids a woman hiding from her past inside a hotel with a long history of death and mayhem. In the present day Angel hunts down a Demon responsible for the carnage.]
Oh, what a lovely episode this was! One of the great things about immortal characters who've been around for a while is that the possibilities for where they've been and what they've done are nearly endless. How cool is that?
I really didn't expect the guy in the hotel room that the bellhop was so afraid of to be Angel. That was a surprise. But wow, it was so amazing to see what he used to be like, before he met Buffy and turned his life around: completely isolated, unfeeling, antisocial, aloof. And a smoker, which was like, whoa. I think the moment I really realized just how different he was was when he heard the gunshot in the next room and didn't even blink. He didn't care.
Another feature of this episode that was really interesting was the time capsule we saw, with a black family being turned away from the hotel, the McCarthy hearings on TV, the gay couple having to hide, and the damsel in distress fleeing for her life after being rejected by society for being mixed-race. The weird thing is that when she said she was "passing", I thought, "Oh, she's really a man!" That was seriously the first thing that popped into my head, especially after the gay couple in the corridor. And then she said "for white" and it took me about as long as it took Angel to understand what she meant.
That seemed to be the thing that inspired him to help her, though -- he saw something of himself in her, just like he later did with Faith. I got the feeling that was the first time he ever tried to help anyone. And of course, it backfired and made the demon stronger, and so he gave up and walked away at the end, leaving all of the people to the demon. Wow. And how interesting that he went back to right that wrong fifty years later.
And the woman was still there, which was horrible because she had already told him she couldn't bear to go to jail because she couldn't stand the thought of being trapped. But she spent the rest of her life in that hotel room. And when Angel freed her, she just died. So horribly tragic.
I thought it was interesting at the end that he decided to lease (or buy?) the building. I guess that money he'd hidden is still good? Even buildings get a second chance with Angel. That's pretty cool.
How interesting that damsels in distress have always been his weakness.
BtVS 3: The Replacement
[Confusion reigns when Xander is split into two Xanders, each representing different sides of his personality.]
This was a really nice episode. Minimal Dawn presence, and a great focus on Xander. It made me think a bit of The Zeppo back from S3, in that we got to see a side of Xander we don't see so often. And in this case once again, he was literally on the outside looking in.
The demon splitting him in two was really interesting. Oddly, that was the first thing I thought had happened. In my notes, I wrote. "Did he get split into his cool and dorky parts?" And when the gang all started talking about one of them being a demon trying to take his place, I decided my first impulse was wrong. And so when it turned out that was actually right, I was pleased, heh. This was a clever way to get Xander to expand his vision of what he could be, of course. Cool Xander was willing to take risks and had the confidence to do things ordinary Xander would never be able to do. That might have been just the kick he needed to get moving with his life.
Lots of fun dialogue in this one:
Giles: "I'm not dead or unconscious, so I say bravo for me."
Buffy: "I've got it covered from A to Z. Axe to... ze other axe."
Giles: "Oh dear lord. ... I said, oh dear lord."
Giles, after hearing Anya ask if she could take both Xanders home and have sex with them: "Let's all just pretend we didn't hear the disturbing sex talk."
And aw, Riley at the end was almost heartbreaking. He loves Buffy more than anything, but he knows she doesn't love him the same way. I really, really feel for him. I suppose this is the beginning of the end of their relationship?
Edit, 9/25: I looked up the summary for this episode and saw that some of the scenes with two Xanders had Nicholas Brendon's twin brother in them. Hee! He apparently had almost no lines, though, and Nick did most of the actual acting of the two Xanders.
[9/24/06]
A:tS 3: First Impressions
[Angel encounters an amorous Darla in his dreams. Meanwhile, Cordelia vows to protect Gunn after she experiences a vision depicting him in mortal danger.]
Very sexy episode. Just the idea that Angel was having all of these erotic dreams was just... guh. All of the Darla/Angel bits were awesomely hot, even though she's apparently taking over his life through the dreams and weakening him somehow. The teasing with ice cubes, her stripping him and straddling him on the couch, and the bit towards the end where she was clearly moving south (with a nice cut to him squirming in bed), were all very lovely eye candy -- and then she really appeared in his room! I'm thinking I need some lovely Angel/Darla smut now. I have to say, though, that the fact that he looked so happy with her in his dream was really quite sad. He's so lonely, poor boopsie. I have a feeling he's going to have a hard time dealing with her, considering what she really is. If she actually is what she really is. Or... whatever.
The storyline with Cordelia and Gunn was interesting here. At first I thought Cordelia was the one who caused all the trouble, that she had misinterpreted the vision and just by trying to help him she nearly got him killed. It wasn't until the end that I realized she actually was right about him, that he needs to let go of some of his anger and find other ways to channel it, or he'll self-destruct. And did I sense some Cordy/Gunn sparks there?
The scene where Angel tackled Wesley while naked was fun, especially since Wesley seemed a bit distracted by it. And then the whole thing with the pink motorcycle helmet was funny. You'd think Angel would be pretty secure in his sexuality after all this time. Of course, he had to fix his hair again when it came off, I noticed.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next with Darla. This should be really interesting!
BtVS 4: Out of My Mind
[The physical aftereffects of Riley’s being used as a lab rat by the Initiative threaten his life; Spike takes advantage of the situation.]
It feels like the story is really getting rolling here. The tension between Buffy and Riley was really high, even from the beginning of the episode. I thought it was really interesting that both Riley and Spike were in the graveyard at the beginning, both annoying Buffy equally, almost as a metaphor for how the men in her life are always going to interfere with slaying. It's funny how something funny always happens to Spike when he tries to be uber-evil.
Spike's obsession with Buffy really seemed to be coming to a head in this episode, and I was starting to wonder if something would happen. I mean, he basically spent the entire episode talking about how much he hated her, plotting to kill her, making Harmony help him in his plan to kill her, trying to kill her and failing, and then ranting more about how much he hated her until I thought for sure Harmony was going to be the one to tell him he seemed to care about Buffy just a little too much. The dream sequence at the end was frickin' awesome, and Spike's reaction to it was perfect. Being in love with Buffy is absolutely the worst thing that could happen to him. And so of course, that's what has happened. Hee!
I love YouTube! Spike's dream here.
Oooh, what's wrong with Joyce? When she turned to Dawn and said, "Who are you?" I wondered if she was having some moment of clarity, and then she fainted. I'm guessing we haven't seen the end of that. There was pleasantly little Dawn in this episode. Yay.
I'm not sure what's going to happen with Riley. It sounds like he's going to self-destruct and break Buffy's heart. He wants to be at her side so badly and he just can't do it. The quickie heart surgery was a little odd, as well as the fact that he's all "fixed" now and back on his feet. That seemed weird. And LOL on the neurosurgeon not taking Spike's chip out. I almost felt sorry for Spike for a moment there.
Harmony is like the worst evil thing ever. I love it!
A:tS 4: Untouched
[Angel attempts to help a girl with telekinetic powers before she falls into the hands of Wolfram and Hart. Meanwhile, Angel is somewhat off his game due to nocturnal visits by Darla.]
Can I just say that the title of this episode alone gave me naughty thoughts? Naughty thoughts that didn't really come to fruition, but still.
So Angel's dreams are being controlled by Darla directly, which means he's probably not actually sleeping at all. His growing crankiness is actually kind of funny since Cordelia and Wesley seem quite capable of handling it. Cordelia standing up to his attempts to be the leader was cute. She seems to know exactly when to call his bluff and when to back down, which is really interesting.
The topic of this episode was something new, a human who had developed a psychic power from a trauma. She was an interesting character too, really dark and unbalanced. Angel seems to be pretty good at handling people like that. The antipathy between Angel and Lilah was great, but I'm missing Lindsay. I think I like that antipathy better. Is it just me, or does Cordelia seem to have some feelings for Angel that go beyond friendship? She was watching Bethany very carefully, almost jealously. Of course, the sniping between her and Wesley at the beginning of the episode was pretty much screaming sexual tension.
Or maybe I'm just obsessed with the possibilities for smut. Huh.
There were some fun lines in this one.
Angel: "Do you know how hard it is to think straight with a rebar through your torso?"
Cordelia: "Yes, I do. Benefits of a Sunnydale education."
Angel: "I've lived a long time, seen a lot of horrors. And some fashion trends I pray to forget."
Angel: "I was having a nightmare."
Bethany: "It looked like a happy dream. Or maybe the covers were just rumpled."
Bethany (hitting on Angel): "I thought it would make us happy."
Angel: "You wouldn't like me happy."
BtVS 5: No Place Like Home
[Buffy discovers more about her newly arrived little sister, and the girls are distressed when Joyce suddenly becomes ill without any explanation, medical or supernatural.]
All right, five episodes in, we finally get some answers about Dawn. Thank heavens, because that was going to make me crazy. It's interesting that Buffy is the only one who knows, and I'm sure it's going to stay that way for a while. I'm also guessing that Joyce's headaches are due to the whole thing, maybe the difficulty of having her memory altered.
There were lots of little interesting bits in this one that reminded me somewhat of the Jonathan episode, just in the way that Buffy was the one who noticed something was a bit "off", like Buffy being intensely jealous of the attention Dawn was getting from her mom, saying "my mom" as a slip of the tongue, and wishing she was an only child. It's been fairly un-Buffy-like to have that much nasty tension between her and another person, almost OOC, so I guess it makes sense in retrospect. It also makes a little more sense now why Buffy and her mom were hovering over a 14-year-old as if she were 7, and not leaving her alone for an instant. So now Buffy knows, and she also has to protect Dawn. What if that means losing her mother? It's all so ominous.
And now I'm wondering how many people's memories were affected. I mean, would it have affected Angel too? I still don't like Dawn very much. I feel a little sorry for her now, but I don't really like her.
I'm having a feeling that Glory isn't dead just yet. She looked an awful lot like the vampire Sunday from the beginning of season 4. At least now we know where the crazy guys came from, and why they seemed to know something about Dawn and Buffy.
Giles's shop seems to be doing well, though I was wondering if that had something to do with the orb Buffy found. And the bell ringing when Buffy walked in -- was that something from Restless? It seemed awfully familiar. And ooh, Anya said something about the Hand of Glory requiring a seven-day background check! I should think so.
Spike standing outside Buffy's house and smoking a pack of cigarettes was probably the cutest thing ever. And he was almost nice to her, but she hit him first. Loved the use of the five words she allotted him: "Out. For. A. Walk. ... Bitch." And "I never liked you anyway and... you have stupid hair!" What, he's regressed to being 12? It's so cute. I can't wait to see how all of that plays out. Poor Riley seems like a dead man walking at this point. Yikes.
A:tS 5: Dear Boy
[Darla attempts to drive Angel over the edge in hopes of getting him to embrace his dark side, but when Angel sees Darla in his waking life, Cordelia, Wesley and Gunn fear he has gone off the deep end and may revert to his evil ways.]
And now we see what W&H really want -- Angelus. I don't know whether to laugh or just be bewildered that they think they could control him even if they did get him. I wonder if we're headed that direction. That would set him back from his whole becoming human destiny quite a bit.
Poor Angel, going crazy from his dreams. I was really starting to wonder why he hadn't said anything, especially since it was becoming a serious problem. I figured he didn't want the dreams to stop. Of course, the moment he realized she was actually alive, he really went nuts. I guess you can't blame him. It's not every day that someone comes back from the dead, especially not someone who's incredibly dangerous.
Him sniffing Cordelia's hair was pretty funny, along with her yelling, "Personal bubble!" And the fact that he could just sniff Wesley and say, "You had sex with a bleached blonde last night." (I was quite tempted to leave off the "e" there...) And the singing? OMG, Wang Chung?
The revelation that they brought her back as a human was really interesting. And yet, she still remembers her life with him as a vampire -- and I'm even more confused about the whole soul thing. Anyway, it was interesting that even though she'd been playing games with him all this time, he was the one who did the mindfucking at the end. And ouch, he never really loved her -- she seemed to take that harder than she should have. I wonder if he's right, if she'll freak out about all the stuff she's done once she's had time to process it. She's apparently been around for a few months by now, though, so I'm not so sure.
I'm constantly impressed by Cordelia's and Wesley's loyalty to Angel, even when they think he may have gone bad. It's like they'll all stick together, no matter what. They'll kill him before they abandon him. I wonder if he knows how lucky he is to have them?
And yay for more flashbacks! And Drusilla! It's interesting that he made her a vampire just so she would suffer from her madness forever.
BtVS 6: Family
[Tara’s family makes a surprise visit to Sunnydale for her birthday, threatening to reveal a shocking secret that could endanger all of their lives.]
I was glad that Buffy told Giles about Dawn. That was a very good thing for her to do, because keeping a secret like that to yourself is just too much. It reminded me a bit of Angel confiding in Doyle the episode after IWRY that he'd become human and shared a day with Buffy. (And I'm still intrigued that Cordelia knows, and Angel doesn't know she knows. I really hope something comes of that at some point.)
Aw, poor Tara and her redneck family! It was good to finally know what the deal was with her, though. I got the feeling that maybe Joss had left that door open in case they'd decided they wanted her to really be a demon, and when they decided she wouldn't be one, they had to clean it up a bit. The whole "You're a demon and we're taking you away to lock you up for your own good" bit seemed also to be a metaphor for your family not accepting that you're gay. In fact, it's interesting to me that Tara's and Willow's relationship hasn't attracted any negative attention. I'm wondering if that's a conscious effort on the part of the writers to normalize it as much as possible (like a lot of us do in slashfic, you know - create a world where there is no homophobia for our characters to live in), or if it's something that will come up in the future.
Spike fantasizing about Buffy during sex was priceless, OMG! Especially the "I'm coming! I'm coming right now!" line, with a cut away to him actually coming. I'm shocked that made it past the censors! Not that I'm complaining or anything. I also like that the moment Spike realized Buffy was in danger, he ran over to help. At first I thought she might never see he was there at all because of Tara's spell, which would only cause another huge fight between them, but in the end, it worked out. No one seemed to blink that Spike was there, which I thought was funny. No one seemed to notice either that they'd had no trouble seeing Tara even while the spell was going, so she couldn't have been a demon. Of course, Spike hitting her to settle the dispute was a nice touch. And very sweet.
And of course, the moment where the whole gang stood up to Tara's family and claimed her as one of their own was lovely. They bicker amongst themselves, but they will turn into a solid wall against a common enemy, which I really love. Their loyalty to each other is part of their strength, I think. And once again, Spike shows that he's good at seeing through people's fronts and understanding what their real motivations are. He nailed exactly what Tara's dad was doing.
Riley getting hit on by a vampire was funny, especially since he knew what she was straight away. (Though I can't help but wonder what the point of that scene was. To show us how much he's trying to understand Buffy's world? Or are we being set up for something else?) I also liked the line early on where Buffy said, "This means I owe you a big favor. There may be outfits.", and he looked like Christmas morning. I'm going to miss him. I really like him, and he's about as normal and stable a boyfriend as Buffy is ever going to get. And I'm worried that it will end very badly. It really seems to be ending; it's just a question of how much longer he'll last.
Willow and Tara at the end were so sweet. Will we ever get to see them kiss? How idiotic is it that we can see Spike having an orgasm but not see Tara and Willow kiss, because "ew, lesbians"? That is seriously fucked up.
And when I say fucked up, I mean that I would like to see both of those things onscreen, and not neither. Thank you.
A:tS 6: Guise Will Be Guise
[Angel meets with a Swami in hopes of ending his obsession with Darla. Meanwhile, Wesley assumes Angel's identity and plays bodyguard to a wealthy businessman's daughter.]
Fun episode! I feel like I say that a lot about this show, but it's really true. I just adore the dynamic between Angel, Wesley, and Cordelia. I particularly like Angel and Cordelia together. She's the only one who is completely unafraid to stand up to him and tell him he's being an idiot. And when she's too stubborn to back down, he gives in. She always wins in those situations, and it's great!
The scene in the karaoke bar was the first time I was really worried about Angel, though. I mean, he's been having a rough time for a while, but his confession to Lorne was startlingly candid. He's not that honest with Cordelia or Wesley -- though I think he would have been with Doyle. *sigh*
Angel: "I don't have to sing."
Cordelia: "Oh, thank god! I mean... good for you cause... you don't like doing it."
The interaction between Angel and the fake swami was interesting. First of all, is LA anywhere near a frickin' swamp? Where the hell was that supposed to be, the Blue Bayou at Disneyland? But besides that, even though the guy was faking he really said a lot of things that made sense. It was funny that he picked on Angel's vanity, with the car, the clothes, and the hair -- "Of course, when you're fighting the ultimate evil, you'll want [hair gel] with some hold." But he was right that Angel projects a particular image in an attempt to cover what's happening on the inside -- that battle with the demon. His advice that Angel should accept that it's part of him and move on was actually very sound.
The advice he gave Angel for getting over Darla was funny: "So here's what you do. You go out and find yourself some small blonde thing. You bed her. You love her. Then you treat her like crap and you break her heart. Believe me, your inner demon will be thanking me." Angel's look of embarrassed horror was actually pretty funny. I also liked the fake swami saying, "You're deeply ambivalent", and Angel replying, "I am, and I'm not."
And wow, Wesley posing as Angel was a lot of fun! I hoped when it got rolling that he would gain some strength from it, and it seems like that happened. And of course, the fact that he wasn't really Angel allowed him to help the daughter in a way Angel never could have, by really being there for her. Angel is a lot of great things, but a wonderful listener and confidant he is not. The bit at the end when the demon rejected her for not being a virgin was funny. And of course it wasn't Wesley who'd deflowered her, but still.
Poor Angel -- does everyone know about the curse and how it gets broken? That can't be a good thing, for his pride if nothing else. His saying "I'm not a eunuch!" four times in the middle of a battle was funny, but sort of sad really. For a guy with vanity issues, that's a harsh thing to hear.
Themes in both shows: I probably should have done this before, but I didn't think about it until the other day. I'm hoping that looking for common themes will help me understand more about what's happening on both shows.
Episode 1: Both Buffy and Angel seemed to be a bit out of control at the beginning, careening toward their respective destinies. Something needed to happen to set them back on track, and in both cases, it was something dramatic and involved a power bigger than either of them, not just ordinary demons. And between the pregnant woman Angel was protecting and Dawn (whom Buffy is to protect) the theme of protecting the innocent and of birth seems to be big.
Episode 2: Probably the only real connection I saw between these episodes was the change of locale. The cast will be getting a new place to hang out in both shows, and we got our first glimpse of those places in these episodes. Oh, and also that in both, there was an attempt to tell a story about the main character from another point of view. So we saw Buffy and the gang from Dawn's POV (narrated by her diary entires) and we saw another incarnation of Angel narrated by the story that Wesley and Cordelia constructed.
Episode 3: It may be a bit of a stretch, but the commonality here seemed to be about characters being torn in two directions, distilling them down to some of their basic needs -- Xander literally and Angel figuratively. And while Xander's problem was resolved, Angel's wasn't.
Episode 4: I saw a lot of similarity between Riley's and Bethany's struggles to deal with what was wrong with them. Both had been violated by people (parent figures) they trusted, and both of them had the bad guys trying to bring them into the fold. They were both struggling against that to the point of endangering themselves. Both of them also seemed desperate to feel loved (even though Riley's desperation was largely imagined), and both of them dealt with it by striking out at the main character.
Episode 5: The theme here seemed to be revelations. Buffy finds out that Dawn isn't really her sister and Angel finds out that Darla is more than just a figment of his imagination. And both Dawn and Darla are just humans, though humans who signify quite a lot and have a power neither Buffy nor Angel possesses. And I thought it was funny that Glory and Darla both were blonde and wearing slinky red dresses. That couldn't have been an accident.
Episode 6: Characters in both shows were having to face some sort of truth about themselves. For Angel and Tara, it was dealing with the fact that an integral part of themselves is/might be evil, and being uncertain how that would affect everyone around them. For Wesley and Riley (and possibly Spike) it was about struggling to become something new, to get past old failures and difficulties and push forward, become stronger.
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Date: 2006-09-26 03:39 pm (UTC)Dawn... Sigh. I hate that girl with a fiery passion. She does get better, a bit, towards the end of the show, but never enough for me to stop disliking her. She's just so self-centered and whiny, ush.
Spike, on the other hand, I love to death (no pun intended), but I really don't like that they so often reduce him to be the comic relief. He has his moments, and they are brilliant, but they are too far between for my tastes.
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Date: 2006-09-26 03:47 pm (UTC)I know I'm supposed to feel sorry for Dawn, being as she's only a few months old and doesn't really know how to be a person and hasn't had the years of experience she ought to have had. But still, so annoying. I guess it really says a lot about Buffy that she is ready to cast her own needs aside to take on yet another charge of destiny. Season 1 Buffy would never have done that.
I do love the Spike moments! Even if they're few and far between, I squee when they happen. :-)
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Date: 2006-09-26 03:52 pm (UTC)I think the way the soul memories thing works is that, memories are stored in the brian and whatever inhabits the body at the moment has access to those memories. So it's body memory instead of soul memory.
Dawn irritates the crap out of most people, but I think the storyline around her is interesting, so I can forgive a little of her teenage snottiness while imagining her being eaten.
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Date: 2006-09-26 04:16 pm (UTC)He actually had exactly no lines. He was just a body double in the scenes where both of them had to be on screen at the same time, but Nick Brendon had all the speaking parts.
Willow and Tara at the end were so sweet. Will we ever get to see them kiss? How idiotic is it that we can see Spike having an orgasm but not see Tara and Willow kiss, because "ew, lesbians"? That is seriously fucked up.
yeah, that bugged me, too. I mean, in that same situation, any couple would have kissed there. I think the network vetoed it, though. I can't imagine them not having at least tried. The kiss in Restless was supposed to be on-screen, too, but they were only allowed to show Xander's reaction, and apparently had to shorten it considerably, too.
And now I'm wondering how many people's memories were affected. I mean, would it have affected Angel too?
I don't think it's ever fully explained, but I'm pretty sure we're meant to assume it affected the entire universe. So she has school records, friends, and so on. Basically, she has 'always' existed, so everyone who's ever met Buffy knows she has a younger sister.
One of the big problems with Dawn, at least initially, is that she was originally supposed to be 12, and a lot of the lines never got rewritten when they hired almost 15-year-old Michelle Trachtenberg. So it's a little sloppy in that regard, but it does get better.
(god, I'm just full of random Buffy trivia today! :)
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Date: 2006-09-26 05:04 pm (UTC)Hee- I remember being *so* freaked out about the fact that Buffy gained as sister with no explanation. I did trust in Joss, but I just didn't understand! I find myself still extremely moved by the scene where the dying monk tells Buffy about it.
MONK: You cannot abandon.
BUFFY: I didn't ask for this! I don't even know--what is she?
MONK: Human . . . now human. And helpless. Please, she's an innocent in this. She needs you.
BUFFY: She's not my sister.
MONK: She doesn't know that.
That last line. Maybe it's the delivery more than anything, but I have never watched that and not teared up. And I think it's maybe part of why I didn't find Dawn as annoying as most people did (and believe me, most people really did). I really felt for her, and I always thought she pretty much earned her tantrums. Can you imagine being the little sister of the Slayer? I'm an older sister myself, and I remember how hard it was for my little sister in school (and elsewhere), when adults always seemed to expect her to be like me, and would show their disappointment or confusion when she wasn't, no matter how many amazing qualities she had of her own. And I wasn't a freakin' superhero. We had some pretty bratty fights, especially when we were both teenagers, but looking back, I can understand where she was coming from a lot better than I did then. Maybe I'm transferring some of my own feelings about that on to Dawn, I don't know. I never found her as annoying as other people did. You are in very good (and plentiful) company, though. :)
I hesitate to comment on anything else just now, because you are heading into such a crucial point in the season, and I think there is almost nothing I could say that wouldn't spoil you in some way. So I'll just wait
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Date: 2006-09-26 06:26 pm (UTC)I am feeling exactly the same way, so you're not alone. :)
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Date: 2006-09-26 06:45 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-26 09:22 pm (UTC)A lot of people, including me, have a adverse reaction to Dawn. Unfortunately, the character was supposed to be younger than Michelle T. and was written younger, so she comes off annoying.
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Date: 2006-09-26 10:05 pm (UTC)*seizures*
DO NOT LOOK AT EPISODE SUMMARIES. Oh, my GOD, don't look at them. Don't even GLANCE.
Probably saying something you already know (or something I already told you, knowing me). I'm not yelling. My caps mean I'm emphasizing. *solemn nod*
Real Me
Dawn is... weird with me. She REALLY rubbed me the wrong way at first, but I finally started liking her after I watched the series a second time. She's a teenager. Yes, the character was originally written younger, but even teens act like they're little kids sometimes. At least when she's annoying it's pointed out. I usually don't like kids in shows because they're just annoying and we're supposed to think it's cute.
And I totally know the feeling of the WAITING for the truth about Dawn to come out. Imagine how much MY head hurt when I was watching this on TV, especially since Buffy's mother says 'It's a good thing you're an only child, then.' Waiting a whole 'nother week, only to be disappointed AGAIN that there wasn't an explanation for her presence... :P
Are You Now or How You Ever Been?
This was the first episode from Angel that I truly enjoyed. There were episodes in the 1st season that impressed me, but nothing like this. It's written SO well. Even the title reflects the attitude of the time period - the McCarthy trials. UGH, so good.
The Replacement
Lurve this episode. There's just too many things for me to points out on this one. Although I love this line: 'Cover your eyes! It'll melt your brain!!' And we finally get to see Xander's snoopy dance, that we'd heard about on more than one occasion. Love, love. :)
Family
Willow and Tara at the end were so sweet. Will we ever get to see them kiss?
Yes. And it will be the most natural thing you've ever seen.
*zips lips*
And since you're about to watch it:
Fool For Love
All time. Favorite. Buffy. Episode. Ever.
Holy SHITE, I cannot wait to see your reaction to this one. It sends chills down my spine. I've seen this one so many times, I can practically recite it word for word. You are in for a treat.
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Date: 2006-09-27 12:23 am (UTC)Being unreligious, I guess I'm not sure what the soul is supposed to contain. I think I always thought it would contain all of the memories and experiences of your life. After all, isn't the soul what religions think you take to heaven? If the experiences and memories remain with the body... eh, I'm confused. :-P
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Date: 2006-09-27 12:57 am (UTC)The kiss in Restless was supposed to be on-screen, too, but they were only allowed to show Xander's reaction
And their copious lip gloss wasn't even smudged. It kills me that they could make masturbation jokes and hint at a threesome in that episode, but girl-girl kissing was off limits. It reminds me of the story of Matt Stone and Trey Parker pushing the limit in the South Park movie with the song "Uncle Fucker". That many instances of "mother fucker" would have garnered the movie an NC-17 rating, but for some bizarre reason, "uncle fucker" was okay to say a thousand times. The guys were trying to make a point, obviously, and I'm wondering if the Buffy writers were starting to do the same.
I didn't know that about Dawn's original age. Interesting!
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:08 am (UTC)Aw, that's so cool! That's partly why I'm putting a lot of effort into teh organization and writing of these posts. I like the idea that people are enjoying reading them. :-)
Yeah, the dream ep I think I've seen up to three times, whereas I still haven't seen key eps like "Hush" and OMWF!!
Wow, really? Why haven't you watched all the way through, if you don't mind my asking? I imagine you could probably rent the DVDs pretty easily.
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:13 am (UTC)You're right, though -- that was a moving scene, and it made me feel guilty for utterly hating Dawn in the first few episodes. I was an older sister too, and I remember my poor younger sister having to live in my shadow (I was the smart one, the accomplished one, and so on.) We had horrible knock-down drag-out fights, until I went to college. After that, our relationship changed completely. We both had a chance to get some perspective, and from the moment I moved out, we never had another fight. It was as if we had passed some threshhold. I guess that's part of what got to me abotu Buffy and Dawn fighting, that it didn't ring true to my own experience with my sister.
I'm so excited that you just watched this season again and it's all fresh in your mind! Are you an Angel fan as well?
*uses Restless icon, just for you*
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 01:15 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 01:20 am (UTC)Hee! No worries, as I'm watching from the Chosen Collection box and it hasn't got summaries in easy view like the DVD cases do. ;-)
I can't imagine how crazy it must have made people to have to wait more than a month to find out what the deal was with Dawn. The boards must have been insane! At least I only had to wait a couple of days. :-P
Fool For Love. All time. Favorite. Buffy. Episode. Ever.
Eee! I'm going to watch it tonight, in just a couple of hours probably, and I'm so excited!! :-D
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:31 am (UTC)DUDE. (Yes, I said dude.) The summaries in the Chosen collection are even WORSE than the ones in the individual season sets. They give away the entire plot. Whoever wrote them must have really been assuming that if you own the Chosen collection, you've seen the whole series. Stupid pillocks.
(And since I just said 'pillocks,' there's a sign I've been watching too much Buffy. Oh, dear.)
P.S. I really hope I didn't spoil you with that... one little thing. The kiss. I'm sorry if I did. O_o Wasn't thinking there, but I figure it's more of an affirmation that Joss found a way to get around the networks. No plot there. ^_~
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:35 am (UTC)(Wow, doesn't that sound dirty?)
It's just so fun to watch a first-time watcher! Knowing when you're right, knowing when you're wrong, and seeing you pick up on things that even I never saw.
*has watched the series all the way through more times than is healthy*
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:38 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 02:13 am (UTC)"Willow and Tara at the end were so sweet. Will we ever get to see them kiss? How idiotic is it that we can see Spike having an orgasm but not see Tara and Willow kiss, because "ew, lesbians"? That is seriously fucked up."
I vaguely remember being VERY up in arms about this...the non-kissing. My best friend and fellow Buffy-watcher actually wrote to the network and bitched, which recieved no reply, but gave us both a very deserving chance to stand on our HR soapboxes and yell about "the man", quite literally. BtVS was really the first teen show that had some girl/girl stuff and damn if it wasn't upsetting that all these amazing sex scenes (hello, mr finn!) can be shot and two girls can't "bump kissers" for a couple of seconds. Kudos to our beloved Joss for finding ways to get Tara/Willow to be all dolled up and sexy even without the face action though, I'll forever be indebted to the man for countless hours of entertainment.
"And when I say fucked up, I mean that I would like to see both of those things onscreen, and not neither. Thank you."
As long as we're clear on that :) Naked Spike+orgasm+hotgirl on girl action= Devlin turning into a puddle of liquid orgasmic goo.
Love these posts, as always.
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Date: 2006-09-27 02:40 am (UTC)Also, I liked how Joss just plopped her down into the 'Verse. I was in hysterics when I realized that was what he had done. It wouldn't work for her to just be some "strange sister who has been living with her dad all this live long years" or anything else. They need to be sisters, and act like true sisters. I like how we find out who or what she is when everyone else does.
Don't worry about Willow and Tara. They'll be showing there lovin' soon enough. And Joss Whedon has said many times, although I've forgotten which episode is being referred to, when Willow and Tara do that one spell together, he says it was "the hottest sex scene he's ever written." Which is much cooler than actually writing and showing a scene with sexual intercourse. It was different and so intimate and so unique, just like their relationship.
And, I might add, I would like to point out that Anya is by far the smartest person in the Buffyverse, for her suggestion to have sex with both Xanders, and I would also like to point out that at least one Xander thought about it for a moment. That is all.
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Date: 2006-09-27 02:41 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 02:50 am (UTC)I love in "Untouched" where Lilah tries to keep Bethany away from Angel by saying he's a vampire and she doesn't care. The look on Lilah's face is wonderful.
It's so much fun reading your reactions;)
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Date: 2006-09-27 04:16 am (UTC)ooooh, now I'll have to rewatch that and see if I can tell their voices apart. :)
It kills me that they could make masturbation jokes and hint at a threesome in that episode, but girl-girl kissing was off limits.
The hypocrisy of the networks is pretty unbelievable and infuriating, isn't it? I hate that this country is so repressed they can't depict characters and events the way they would actaully act if they were real.
That many instances of "mother fucker" would have garnered the movie an NC-17 rating, but for some bizarre reason, "uncle fucker" was okay to say a thousand times.
oh god, don't even get me started on the silly guidelines the MPAA ratings people follow. like that one 'fuck' is acceptable in a PG-13 movie, but two or more, and it's an automatic R. the hell?
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Date: 2006-09-27 06:51 am (UTC)For some reason this is a season that, after I watched it on tv, never got around to rewatching on dvd. Of course, your thoughts are making me all nostalgic and I just know I'm going to have the dvds by the end of the week. Oh, and when this season aired in Australia the olympics (or maybe it was the commonwealth games? Some sporting thing) occurred and there was a two week gap between episodes. Which meant that it was nearly three months before Dawn's presence was even remotely explained! So hey, you've had it easy. :)
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Date: 2006-09-27 01:38 pm (UTC)Did you go to college near home, or did you go away? I think that often makes a difference. I know that Buffy lived in the dorms for the first year, but she was still so close to home. I remember kids I went to college with who lived near home--they'd go home for the weekend all the time, and generally were still a presence there. It was so different for me, because I'd gone far away enough that I could only come home for big holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas. My sister and I missed each other so much by then, there was no chance we'd fight when we were together. She even ended up coming to the same college I was at a couple years later. :)
I am definitely an Angel fan! For some reason, though, I'm not getting the same hankering to rewatch that series right now. I admit, though, it wasn't until near the end of Angel's second season that I really started to love the show, so maybe that's why. I look forward to you getting there!
I eagerly wait for your thoughts on the next few episodes! This season is really just getting going!
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Date: 2006-09-27 04:59 pm (UTC)The soul does not know what the body has done in it's absence until it inhabits the body. Cells in the brain store memories as imprints to our bodily senses, I'm sure sometime in the future a scientist will figure out how to use a machine and certain cells from the brain to generate data that will tell him a memory. It's like the soul and the demon are that machine and they are taking in the data of the memory but their range on the evil scale determine how they interpret those memories in their consciousness.
Which is so overblown and half of what I just wrote makes me giggle, but I'm thinking there is an interesting scifi plot in there somewhere with the memory machine.
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:14 pm (UTC)Yes, that must be really interesting! I'm a teacher, so I can really appreciate that feeling of excitement of watching someone put the pieces together, slowly figuring it all out, finding their own mistakes, and getting some things right.
And LOL, thanks for the pimpage. ;-) I hope those folks will stick around for the inevitable fic...
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:15 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 05:19 pm (UTC)Of course, it may have been that she was just anxious to get rid of me for good. ;-)
If you really started to love Angel toward the end of the second season, I am certainly in for a treat -- because I love it now!
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:25 pm (UTC)I try to be flexible about possible spoilers, but it's getting difficult. I have to completely avoid reading comments on any Buffy-related posts, which is hard because I want so badly to explore the fandom. I keep telling myself there'll be plenty of time after I watch, but you know -- impatience is part of this whole obsession thing. The problem with spoilers is that a lot of small and fairly isolated comments by twenty people can easily add up to a few big spoilers. It's more that I have a tendency to analyze all of the information I'm getting than that any one person is spoiling me. :-P
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:28 pm (UTC)I have to admit I backed it up to that little orgasm scene about ten times. Hee!
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:32 pm (UTC)LOL, which Xander thought about it?
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:34 pm (UTC)LOL! Throw in a wet dream about Darla and that's a good summary of the season so far!
Yes, that scene from Untouched was funny, with Bethany just looking at him and shrugging it off by saying, "Weird."
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:36 pm (UTC)Have you watched any of the seasons through on DVD, then? Several people I know have commented that they found it a really interesting experience to watch through them all in a few days, and that it allowed them to see things they didn't see when watching it on TV a week at a time.
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-27 05:49 pm (UTC)The BtVS/AtS fandom comes and goes in waves, yes. There are a few constant people, and then there are others that float in and out, others who leave entirely, and then still more who enter for the first time. But it's always there.
My goal is to get it roaring again... unlikely, but hey, a girl can dream. :3
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Date: 2006-09-27 05:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-28 01:00 am (UTC)I think it might of been the awkward!Xander. He was just like, "....it'd probably get confusing, though."
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Date: 2006-10-05 01:33 am (UTC)The Replacement - another fav! "Kill us both, Spock!" "Right. Candles and pretense." :D
First Impressions - Yay, the introduction of Gunn! I ♥ him!
No Place Like Home - One of my favorite scenes in Buffyverse is when Buffy performs the spell and walks into Dawn's room and sees it flash back and forth. Very creepy and startling.
Guise Will Be Guise - Can you believe this the first Angel (& maybe Buffyverse) episode that I ever watched? I don't really count it because I had no idea what the hell was going on - but was intrigued enough to start from the beginning!